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kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 9-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 2:03 am: | |
Fishingking, i researched if fish can see color, and i only saw two sources that said they do not and dozens more that said they do, maybe a recent study came out that proved they do....
The shades of grey idea is like you said when certain colors hit a certain depth, they turn to shades of grey. |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 12:48 am: | |
Fish do not see colours, but only shades of grey.
What may seem like a wierd colour, could infact appear like an injured fish. Besides, the wobble produced in rapalas & youzuri lures defnately imitates an injured fish.
I'm sure you are also aware of the spectrum (colours of the rainbow - Violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange & red). While violet is most visible under water, red is the least.
The reason for many people now changing their lines to red colours is because it is invisible @ 30mtrs of water. Of course, our waters are not as deep, but never the less the visibility is reduced. |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 46
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 8:37 pm: | |
Everwhere i read, people say you should match your lure color to the forage in your area so it looks like the natural prey. So, why are there colors out there that are hot pink, clown, and all these non-realistic color patterns? Won't the fish be scared because it looks so not natural? I have seen people having success with these fake colored lures though, why do fish hit them? |
Rami Tamimi (Rtamimi)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:01 am: | |
http://floridasportfishing.com/magazine/the-rigging-station/i-mean-com e-on-now-fish-eat-fish.html
Kd, check the above link and you can learn something about artificial baits.
Thanks
Rami |
Amir Mufti (Amira)
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Post Number: 259
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 7:44 pm: | |
KD,
I think u need to accompany some of the experience anglers |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 45
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 9:35 am: | |
Most lures i have are floating then dive when retrived
some lures though are labeled as sinking, so once you cast them they begin to sink, but once you stop it then start to reel, will it dive any deeper or stay at the depth u stopped it after sinking?
it doesn't say how deep it dives... |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 44
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 5:09 am: | |
hey guys sorry bout causing so much argument here
fishingking, im just trying to ask some questions that deal with dubai specifically, since on the net u get general info. every place is diifferent, i didnt mean to "disrupt" the fishing forum by asking questions about fishing, i dont now what i was thinking
ill try going to school 24 hours a day as well if that will make things better
im fishing 15 meters of water ijlal
i do use a sabiki rig for bait and catch bream, sherry, and trevally but they are just baitfish under half a foot so ive been using them as live bait for flatlining/freelining and another pole for live bait fishing on the bottom with a sniker |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:29 am: | |
Kd,
dont fish more than 2 rods at a time.
Either troll a lure or bait fish. Sabikis will also work if there are queen fish around. |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Post Number: 34
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:25 am: | |
Dont worry Ijlal, hopefully some day soon, you will be back in the UAE & we can meet up.
Apologies are not required & I didnt start a war, just slung some dirt to make sure you washed your eyes & that would help you see a bit more clearly.
I always had good intentions for anglers in this community, unfortunately because I am blunt & straight on, people think that I am insulting & offending them.
Yes, I know that I was more than a bit harsh towards you & mentioned stuff which I should have just let lay down, but heck, sometimes a wake up call towards reality is what one needs.
I do know that you are senior & respect the fact that you have a lot of knowledge, but that doesnt put you in a drivers seat nor can one get respect without earning it.
Enough said about this topic now. I wont respond to this anymore.
Good luck where ever you are |
Syed Ijlal Hussain (Ijlal)
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 1:30 am: | |
Hi Kd,
I went through some of your posts and have come to the conclusion you try doing everything at the same time. The real secret of catching fish regularly is being focussed. Try concentrating on one method even if you go fishless for days on end; perfect it till you start getting fish.
As you are on a kayak, I would suggest you use your four rods as follows: use two rods for bait fishing, rig up your lightest rod with smaller sabiki hooks, and one for spinning lures. Now, as for bait fishing, cut a 2 to 3 hooks portion from a size 20 sabiki rig and tie it to your main line either directly using a barrel knot or using a small barrel swivel in between to minimize line twist. Bait this setup with small chunks of squid or prawns/shrimps. The other rod you keep on standby for live baiting; use your sabiki rig to catch live bait. Your spinning outfit should remain on standby in case you see suface activity.
At least this is how I would probably use my four rods if I went out on a kayak.
Spinning (casting lures) does not go hand in hand with bait fishing. If you must spin then spin constantly - spinning is a tedious task but can be very rewarding; hours of spinning may produce nothing on some days.
Jigging, or vertical jigging is usually done in deep water and I dont think you have access to such deep water in your kayak so better drop that for now.
Just my two cents...
Ijlal |
Syed Ijlal Hussain (Ijlal)
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Post Number: 352
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 12:59 am: | |
King,
Actually, I was resonsidering my post after going through the previous posts and was about to apologize for being a little too harsh on you, but you declared war, so be it!
I would love to meet you and see who you are but unfortunately, I have left UAE...
Cheers!
Ijlal |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Post Number: 33
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:32 pm: | |
Mr. Ijlal,
I see that you have also been a big trouble maker on the forum in the past. Look at what advice Mr. Abdul & myself have given him.
Facts are facts. People have offered a lot of help & support to KD or who ever he is (look here, no one has seen him or met him or seen any pics HAHAHAHA). yet we offered him tips. Read through the forum, before you open your mouth or spread your legs to wide.
Nowhere has anyone made fun of him. Just given him advise. If he cannot fathom simple terms, it can be confirmed that he needs to get through routes of fishing.
Besides, a 11 year old on the Kayak, fishing ??? He is either really stupid to buy a kayak to go fishing or he knows how to fish & got a kayak. In either case, he is making an utter fool out of you.
I'd say it now, cos people like you & like him have disrupted this forum over & over again.
Its not surprising that soooooo many anglers who have so much to offer have left this forum & I do recall that you were kicked out from the other forum ....oh sorry, you were a cry baby & when someone took you up on a topic, you started whining & quit the forum. Atleast you said that you did, but secretly visited the forum (without realising that your id would show if you were logged in).
Shut the F up & stop taking sides. If you have advice, then give it. People visiting this forum are not out for fatherly love, they are here to catch fish.
KD, if you are 11 years old & trying to get the sympathy of forum members, forget it. What are you doing here, spending all your time here when you should be in school ??? (I know people will agree with me on this)
Make use of resources available to you & dont abuse them. I along with a lot of people have been giving good advice upto now.
I dont expect anyone to take up sides. So please stop this kindergarden behaviour. If you want to catch fish, read through Abduls & my posts, start over & you will land fish. Ask for info which cannot be readily found on the internet & surely you will have a lot more people answering you.
Ijlal, the fact that you dont know who I am doesnt mean that I am hiding. I am at the coastline ever friday & saturday. & yes, I do meet up with lots of people from this forum & the other forums here in the UAE.
Let me know when you want to meet up & we surely will. |
Syed Ijlal Hussain (Ijlal)
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Post Number: 351
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 10:37 pm: | |
Lure casting from kayak! Now that seems like dangerous business to me, with all that weight shifting this side and that; anyhow, I have never fished from a kayak so cannot be sure, but be careful not to turn turtle.
As for the lures, you would mostly require shallow diving lures like Rapala F-Mags in sizes 9 thru 14, depending on the casting capability of your rods.
Hope this helps...
Ijlal |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 43
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 9:55 pm: | |
Thanks Ijlal
When casting out lures around the breakwaters on kayak, what is the best diving depth for them to target cuda, king, etc. How deep should my lures dive? |
Syed Ijlal Hussain (Ijlal)
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Post Number: 350
Registered: 6-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 1:43 pm: | |
King,
Either advise with some useful information or stop making fun of people. There are many people who read the forum but shy away from writing. When people like Kd ask basic questions, these people also benefit.
You know you are a mischief-maker; you only appear when you have to belittle someone. The fact is you are a coward - you are actually hiding yourself behind this ID so you can criticise, as you are not brave enough to do it openly like I am doing now!
Guys, have you ever wondered why you have never seen any pictures of The King in fishing in UAE waters???
I wish I knew who you really are! GRRRRRR |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 12:03 am: | |
GROW UP will ya ! |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 11:02 pm: | |
fishingking im glad you enjoy making fun of 11 year olds...... |
Abdul (Jigwrex)
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Post Number: 354
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:38 pm: | |
Fishingking,
SPOT ON!
Ciao! |
Fishing King (Fishingking)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:15 pm: | |
KD,
forget about all the fishing equipment details provided here. To be honest, they are not meant for you. You will get there gradually, with patience & with experience.
Right now, use mono lines (max upto 20lb test) & a 6 inch to 10inch, 20lb wire leader. This is all that you will need to catch fish in these waters. Forget about fluorocarbons, braid lines or any other fancy stuff. They will be important when you learn how to target certain species which easily get spooked with normal lines.
Kings / Breams / Cobias / Hamour / Barracuda, do NOT get spooked easily if you are using a normal mono line.
You just need 2 lures in your box, a blue/silver minnow & a firetiger. These are the most targetted lures in UAE.
Stop whining about not catching any fish. you sound really pityful & its getting painful to reply to your queries.
Anyone who can access the internet knows how vast the database of knowledge available on it is. Stop posting kindergarden questions & do a search on google / wiki. You will find all your answers there. Right now you want to be spoonfed without any real effort from yourself.
Go through all the basics of fishing & like I said earlier, "In Rome do as the Romans do". Let me know if you didnt understand this statement. I'll ask my 3 year old son to explain it for you.
Btw, if you are not catching fish & everyone else around is catching, then you are doing something wrong. Watch them & copy them. You will surely land some.
Best of luck for the coming weekend. |
Abdul (Jigwrex)
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Post Number: 353
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 4:49 pm: | |
KD,
The material holding the hook is neither made of rubber or rope. Its made of kevlar cable then the knots are being covered with those heat shrink rubber sleevings.
Try doing a google search on how to attach the assist hooks. BASICALLY....the assist hook will be connected to the leader using a SOLID RING. then the jig is attached to the solidring...using a splitring.
DON'T try TOO HARD & use gears/equipments which are WAY OVERKILL..... U will only get frustrated because the fishes are being SPOOKED!
DON'T use a LONG & BIG SWORD just to pick your teeth.....just use a toothpick!
That is why we have a range of gears...to suit the different different situation and species we are targetting!
Ciao! |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Post Number: 41
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:48 am: | |
sorry bout all the questions but i havnt caught a big fish in 3 years of hard work soooooo
on the jigs, should i put a split ring where i tie on my line or is it best to tie it on straight to the eye of the jig without a ring? |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:29 am: | |
Also, im looking at pictures of how people placed their hooks on their jigs and it looks like the material is rubber cable or rope??? cant i just use 100lb mono or wire? |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:17 am: | |
Willi get better results using 100lb mono on my leader or 20 lb nylon coted wire? I think 100 lb mono will hold up against the teeth since i have more trouble cutting it with clippers than i do wire. Is 100lb mono less visible and will it give me more strikes than 20 or 30lb wire? |
Abdul (Jigwrex)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 6:14 am: | |
1) flurocarbon lines are more durable than normal lines BUT still will not be able to withstand TOOTHY FISH! This is the main reason why the jigging should be rythmic so the predator will not accidentally attack the leader. They will usually observe their victims first before attacking
2) using flurocarbon leaders will get higher strikes due to its invisibility in water compared to normal lines and wires.
3) I will only use 100lbs leaders when targetting MONSTER fishes e.g GTs, Tunas, Sharks etc. For within the gulf area...30-40lbs max should be sufficient.
4) due to NON STRETCH nature of braids/superlines, adding flurocarbon /nylon leaders will act as shock absorbers.
5) Hamour tend to go for brighter colours e.g. orange or pink (from personal experiences).
6) Assist hooks should be just positioned about in the middle of the jig as these predatory fish usually attack its baitfish at the middle. NO HARM in using the treble hooks at the back...as a safe measure.
Ciao! |
Amir Mufti (Amira)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 2:13 am: | |
For verticle jiggin, you need to let the jig hit the bottom and start the action, therefore trebble hooks are not a good option, however I have been using treble hooks, so no harm in using them |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 8:22 pm: | |
Will barracuda and kingfish not cut through flurocarbon?
There are the jigs you described in the post but they come with treble hooks on the bottom for you. Is this okay to leave on or do i have to remove the treble and place 1 or 2 single hooks on the head? If i used 100lb monofilament for leader will it be better than wire or will it not suffice for the teeth of cudas and kings? the DUEL TAMENTAL is available here so i will buy it.....any prefered colors? i hear pink is good? can i keep the trebles on the bottom? will 100lb mono hold up against the teeth of cudas or kings? |
Abdul (Jigwrex)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 4:40 pm: | |
Jigging actions will depends upon the species you are targetting. For bottom feeders like groupers and Shari(Sherie/spangle emperor), the jigging action doen't need to be as fast. The most effective one I had experienced for UAE waters are just bottom bouncing i.e. to drop your jigs all the way to the bottom and then just continuously do short strokes.... upto only a few feet above the sea bed.
Predatory species e.g kingfish & barracuda , on the otherhand are usually prowling at mid to almost the surface of the water so you will have to practice a relatively fast jigging (rythmic) motion till almost the surface....few fast strokes while (syncronised) cranking the reel then dropping/releasing the jig so that it will fall again. This should be done continuously in order to attract the predators. What we noticed, the more anglers jig.... the better the catch rate will be. The jigs will replicate injured bait fish.... so it is imperative that the size and weight of the jigs are as similar as possible to the "MENU of the day"... i.e. baitfish available within the vacinity.
As I said before, the most productive jig I had ever used was the JAZZ Jig 80g, highly reflective bluish/silverish.
Check out the earlier postings...
http://www.fishreports.net/fishing/messages/93/20143.html
http://www.fishreports.net/fishing/messages/93/20234.html
That particular jig was the only jig Which I had used to catch all the fish there!!!! Just after few outings....it was so badly injured!!!!
However, the closest thing to it available in the UAE is the DUEL TAMENTAL .... which Mohammed had used to catch the Hamour/grouper.
Additionally, we also noticed that if we used wire leaders, the catch rate will be much less...especially if the braided wires are used as they might be highly visible to the fishes and also (maybe) the actions of the jigs will not be as realistic.
We usually only use FLUROCARBON lines as leaders. Otherwise the next best option will be the American Fishing Wire...which are high strength, small diameter, single strand fishing wire. BUT you will need to use metal sleeves as these lines are almost impossible to tie.
Try visiting Barracuda...either along the creek...near the YAMAHA outboard engine dealer or at MARINA DIAMOND building at the Marina or KNOTICA MARINE MALL ...somewhere along Sheikh Zayed Road.
Ciao! |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:53 am: | |
I hear the store barracuda is good? some people say it closed though...? |
kd (Kd_rapala)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:41 am: | |
Im into soft plastic fishing. I cant find any jig heads here. I have only 1 light - medium ation rod that is flexible and sensitive.
I go to al hamour marine on beach road next to johnny rockets and the tackle shop in the same lot as the gas station which also sells kayaks and diving gear.
none of them sell light to medium action rods that are thin and flexible for topwaters, soft plastics, light lures. Do you guys now any good places in dubai that sell these type of rods.
and about the jigging, i am really interested in doin it now. Do you drop it to the bottom, then pump the rod up and down while reeling in a rythmic motion or do you drop it and give it fast vertical darts in slow intervals? |
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