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RONALD DSOUZA (Ronald)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:53 am:   

Hi,
Thanks everyone - the first thing i do in the morning is to read this forum, looks like i got addicted to it. It teaches me alot in fishing. Its interesting site.

Thanks Kit/ Hunter for yr. post-that's a nice pc. of knowledge. I have to practice my throws.
Please advice -I have with me a new rod and reel, please guide me as to how do i load the reel with line -in a correct manner.

Pranab - that was a fearful snap. Keep up your enthusiasm.

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Ronald
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PRANAB (Seaexplorer)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:53 am:   

Dear tayab ,

I will be going tomorrow early morning at 5.45 jumeriah sea beach . My cell no is 0506789546 . If you want to go with me pls give me a call today . As for the tide please read my regular posts that i give for tide timings .


Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
Low 12:37 Today 0.48
High 19:06 Today 1.29
Low 23:17 Today 1.08
High 05:57 Tomorrow 1.63

This is the tide timings for your reference .

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Xiphias Hunter (Kitster)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:49 am:   

Chua,

nice additions! :-)

by the way people, OTG means On The Ground - basically states that you lay your sinker or lure on the ground behind the rod.

the side cast builds distance because its the easiest way to load the rod, although the disadvantage is that if you dont release the line properly, your lure/sinker could end up going sideways and not straight out.

the pendulum swing is a true distance casting tecnique. it is HARD to learn and is very effective with conventional tackle (could be done with spinning tackel as well) it increases your distance by around 15-30% (in some instances 50% or more!) depending on your execution. this is the cast that tournament distance casters use and some even cast as far as 700 feet...easy! it goes by one of the laws of physics - an already accelerating body can easily be further accelerated faster than a body that is at rest - or something like that. :-)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:23 am:   

FOLKS!

SOME INFO FOR ALL SURF/LURES CASTERS WITH SURF RODS.

ADDING ON TO QUOTES FROM KITSTER:

when the line travels off the spool lip, it then hits your guides (the line travels in a spiral while getting off the spool) friction affects this again. with a limp line, it spirals less and hits less surface area.

ONE WAY TO EFFECTIVE REDUCE FRICTION AND HEAT TRANSFER IS TO HAVE SIC GUIDES THAT INCREASE CAST DISTANCE BY ENSURING LINE GLIDES THRU THE GUIDES WITH MINIMUM FRICTIONAL CONTACT.

SECOND, ENSURE YOUR LINES DO NOT SLAP ON THE ROD, YOU WILL HEAR THE PUNISHING SLAPS WHEN IT TRY TO SQUEEZE THRU THE STRIPPER GUIDE, WITH THE SPOOL LINES TRAVELLING FASTER THAN THE OUTGOING, HAMPER BY THE BOTTLE NECK STRIPPER, THEREFORE, DISTANCE BETWEEN THE REEL AND GUIDE IS ONE CONSIDERATION, SPOOL SIZE OF THE REEL IS ANOTHER, THE BIGGER THE SPINNING SPOOL THE BIGGER THE ARC, AS IT UNFOLDS ON ITS WAY OUT. THE SAME PROBLEM MIGHT HAPPEN. LOOK OUT FOR THE SLAPPING SOUND ON YOUR NEXT CAST. SLAPPING REDUCES DISTANCE. ALL YOUR ENERGY REDUCED BY FRICTION ALONG THE WAY. SERVICE YOUR REELS BALL BEARINGS FOR MULTIPLIER, IF THEY ARE NOT ENCASED BEARINGS. LUBE OIL SHOULD SUFFICE, UNLESS YOU ARE A TACKLE JUNKIE.

after all of this of course comes your skill, your timing, your swing, how you load your rod...etc.

EMPLOY OTG, PENDULUM OR SIDE CAST TO YOUR STYLE
ONE OF THESE METHODS WILL CERTAINLY SUIT...DIFFERENT FOLKS DIFFERENT STROKES!

in short its not just a matter of changing your lines, thats just the first part. in the end of it, its still how much you practice with your BALANCED GEAR to realize the distance potential of your equiptment.

THIS INCLUDES YOUR STYLE OF CASTING, PHYSICAL STRENGTH, CORRECT ROD AND REEL CONFIGURATION, USE OF MULTIPILIER, SHOCK LEADER, USE OF CORRECT KNOTS, CORRECT WEIGHT TO BLANK CONFIGURATION, EX-FAST TAPER, ALIGNED BACKBONE, ETC...WITH ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS, THOUGH SMALL WILL HAVE AN IMPACT TO YOUR CASTING DISTANCE IF YOU ARE CRITICAL.

thats why two peopple get different distances even if they use the same line, rod, reel etc.

and remember that you are dealing with physics here, its not really how strong you are at swinging your rod, its basically how you load it to make it act like a slingshot, even a "soft" swing can blast a lure out there.

HOPFULLY, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS HELPFUL TO FOLKS CHASING CUDAS IN THE HOT SUMMER.

THIS IS NOT A SCIENCE LESSON!

BUT A COMBINATION OF SCIENCE, ART AND MOST IMPORTANTLY LUCK!

CHEERS
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Tayyab Ali (Tayyab)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:16 am:   

Dear All

Can any one tell me about the high tide or low tide.Which tide is suitable for fishing.
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Tayyab Ali (Tayyab)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:14 am:   

Dear Pranab
Where can i fish on jumeirah. Do i need license for that,what are the perfect timings for fishing,is it possible when you are going for fishing just let me know so i can learn some technique from you because i have tried several times although i have all the fishing gear but i think some thing is missing some where.
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 4:59 am:   

http://seaguar.com/Products_GM.html <----- tippet material. leader material for fly fishing tapered leaders.

you cant use this.

I'll make a list of monos with thin diameters, but most of what you will see would not be available here in the UAE and woudl cost a lot of $$$$$ USD prices too since you have to order them from the states. :-)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:35 am:   

seaguar lines - the 25 meter spools are not fishing lines, they are leader spools.

usually used for light tackle trolling, fly leaders etc.

FC has the same specific gravity as water, thats why it seems to dissapear when underwater.

Pranab, the diameter of the line is only one of the things that would make you cast far. you guys have to understand that the diameters indicated on the line are average diameters only. this means that one part of the line might be a bit bigger than the rest, or it varies. we do not know for certain if they have given you the thickest or thinnest diameter.

FC lines are stiff by the way so they arent that managable while on the reel. there are some soft FCs out there, problem is, they arent really pure FCs and rather a mix of FC and copolymer.

Limpness of the line should be one of the things you need to look into. there are lines out there specificly made for spinning reels and rods, these are very soft and have less "memory" which means they straighten out faster they dont "coil up" or coil up way less than ordinary lines- if most of you havent noticed, when your line goes off your spool, it has to fight its way up the lip of your spool, friction affects this which slows the acceleration of your line and ultimately will affect its velocity and distance. top of the line spinning reels have titanium coated lips to help curb friction.

when the line travels off the spool lip, it then hits your guides (the line travels in a spiral while getting off the spool) friction affects this again. with a limp line, it spirals less and hits less surface area.

after all of this of course comes your skill, your timing, your swing, how you load your rod...etc.

in short its not just a matter of changing your lines, thats just the first part. in the end of it, its still how much you practice with your BALANCED GEAR to realize the distance potential of your equiptment.

thats why two peopple get different distances even if they use the same line, rod, reel etc.

and remember that you are dealing with physics here, its not really how strong you are at swinging your rod, its basically how you load it to make it act like a slingshot, even a "soft" swing can blast a lure out there. :-)

hope this helps.

see you in the surf!

K!t
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Keyur Athaide (Keyur)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 1:21 am:   

HI Pranab,

if you are referring to fluorocarbon lines, then I would say that it is quite possible that Seaguar manufactures the strongest one (thats what they say in their advertisement).

Regarding the strongest line available, I'm not too sure.

anyway, the line I was telling you about is a Japanese fishing line, Mikano or Minano or mkano (something like that), not really sure. But it is 0.30mm & 9.2kg strength (20.3lb). It has a picture of a dinosaur on it.
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PRANAB (Seaexplorer)
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 1:06 am:   

hi guys ,

there was some prob in the barracuda bite picture . pls check it here once again


[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3368/kingfishbiteonbarracudaad1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:38 am:   

Dear Keyur ,

You let me down . No news about tht line which i askd you for . But any way you know pranab is a researcher and i got it . So here it is the thinnest and the strongest line in the world which is invisible .

http://seaguar.com/Products_GM.html

Please read this and note 25 METER SPOOL diameter 0.26 mm with LB TEST 14.5

OR 0.285 DIA WITH LB TEST 16.5 my god unimaginable with this line , i wish i had . And you knw what this is invisible as it hits water because they are fluro carbon


THE INVENTOR AND WORLD LEADER IN FLUOROCARBON FISHING LINE








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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:31 am:   

hi guys ,

Yeserday night me and dada planned todays morning fishing . As planned we met at the surf at 5.30 . We dragged before the timings because we brain stormed that as the fishes are moving to the outer ridges with the heat why dont we plan to go little early when the water is still cooler and may be we manage to catch a few as the season fades away .

When we reachd there there was only one philipino fisherman who is just learning fishing . I saw her wife sitting on the rocks with a spare rod .

I was curious to see his lure as it seemed really big for his rod . Unaable to quench my curiosity i asked him can i have a look at the lure .

ohh god it was about 100 gms on a lower class rod. But not to disappoint him ( ray ) that he should be careful to cast it .

And before i can turn my head this guy lost his whole lure with a huge splash . Any way i lend him a new proper weight lure and dada also showd him how to cast properly .

The intersting part came later . As we were reeling in the barracudas we got a big one and was excited with the fight which was quite unusual for a barracuda . Because normally they dont fight tht much .

Gess what when we got it at shore this is what was left . A huge king fish bite which dismembered the barracuada . Please see the pic along with this from the link .

[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6128/kingfishbiteonbarracudajo4

[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1165/massiveonerq5.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

REGARDS

PRANAB

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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   

Hey Jess!
take it easy buddy.The likes of (m)Angler13 are dogs in the manger-that is they neither share knowledge with others nor do they let others learn .He's an old buzzard who waits to prey on people just bcoz he feels he's superior!Well let him feel so as long as we guys have our fun and share experiences with each other and yes learn new stuff too.
The likes of (m)Angler13 have an insatiable hunger and voracious appetite when it comes to ego.Cant help it,can he,coz that's his style of living!??????????!
Perhaps he has a reason to shut his gob ( thanks Kit) or maybe help around if he wishes to.Either way he's welcome.Nothing to lose nothing to gain.
(m)Angler13,you really want to share stuff plz do and we'll learn anything you got to teach us but in a decent way.Sorry,not here to pick a bone with you coz we never had one in the first place!As far as picking your brain goes, depends on how you offer and how much you offer it for!Sorry,we really don't wanna pick your brains at all but would love to learn ,again if you are willing to teach in a decent way,that's as far as that goes!
IT'S TOTALLY UPTO YOU!
Take care fellas!Hope to hear more from y'all.



SPORT IS LIKE WAR WITHOUT THE KILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PRANAB (Seaexplorer)
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:11 pm:   

hi ,

Today morning i was at the sea side . It was really nice to see the beach absolutely emtpty . I wish it remained like that without so many people falling on top of another to cast their lines . It seemed unlikely to be a dubai beach .

Water was very very calm ideal for fishing . I dont know how many times i casted in the crystal water . I caught 3 barracdas . Medium size . No big ones although one big one followed the lure and i can see its brownish excited skin when it was chasing my lure .

I purposely used 1 hook lure to make the fishing exciting . It some how seemed unfair to me when i was fishing with rapala lures with two treble hooks .

Yes i did miss a couple of strikes but then the excitement and challange was more to hook them with thin line and one hook .

I used a popper also today for the first time in my life . But i had a feeling for barracuda lures swimming a little below is perfect rather than poppers .

Can any one advise me can there be a fishing line with 0.20 mm thickness with 14 lb test . If any one knows the brand let me know pls

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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:06 pm:   

Hi Jess,

not really sure how the others feel about Saturdays fishing trip, but I did have a decent day. There might have been @ 15 odd fishermen & anglers(I stress on the word Fishermen) at Jumeirah in the morning. I know that Kit did catch @ 6 Barracuda & I caught 6 myself. Regarding the others I didnt see any one else catch even a single cudda.

I heard that one someone else might have caught 1 or 2, & pranab had quite a few misses. Other than that, no one got any. I did lose half a dozen besides landing 6.

Now this is for some people who disregard fishermen keeping the catch.........lol

I also heard that someone with a number for a name (hidden identity) did come
to watch us fish. It was really funny when I heard that 'NUMBER' nammed person was trying to play big daddy watching our every action. I did keep 3 cuddas & release 3. I kept 2 for myself & gave one to Heber. I know that some disagree about giving fish to others, but heck, if I had a good day & someone else didnt, I dont have a problem sharing my catch. Besides, a couple of cudas caught on line aint as bad as dragging a net & catching hundreds of them.

My catch was only due to the knowledge that I gained from my friends, Kit, pranab & the other dozens of people on another angling site, who are very open minded, have decades some 25 + years & others 50+ years of fishing experience who are ever willing to suggest points to you & share their vast knowledge base. The crucial points that made a difference was understanding the water conditions, the temperature, the line, the type of lure (colour, swimming depth etc) & that made a difference.

Btw, dont worry about some people wanting to know how smart we are....it dosent really matter. Besides its how we adapt to different situations & how fast we learn that ultimately counts.

I know that I am not smart, or atleast I dont fit in that category. I am way above that, I'd say I'm brilliant...lol. Its all about how we see ourselves. I suppose you too, besides many others come in the same category. so lets move ahead & let the smart people catch up with us, 'Briliant Guys'....... :o)

Warm regards,
Keyur

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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 8:36 pm:   

"I will shut my trap and be a by-stander if someone here could answer some questions...let's see how smart you people are"

Who the f%*/ are you to see how smart we are. Take a walk pal. Keep your trap shut now, you dumb loser. Guess you are really amused now.

Guys, how was the fishing this weekend. I've been out of the country.... it keeps happening on most weekends. Technical visits.......


Jess
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 8:35 pm:   

"I will shut my trap and be a by-stander if someone here could answer some questions...let's see how smart you people are"

Who the #%*/ are you to see how smart we are. Take a walk pal. Keep your trap shut now, you dumb loser. Guess you are really amused now.

Guys, how was the fishing this weekend. I've been out of the country.... it keeps happening on most weekends. Technical visits.......


Jess
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 4:56 am:   

First of all Welcome Amir,

this forum is all about a common goal, 'FISHING'. Its no big deal if you are a fresher or someone with a lot of experience. Some people here have a lot of experience & boast of a lot of knowledge, while others have only just started. Some have fished deep sea, some from the coast, others in rivers & lakes & some in mountan streams. The fishing knowledge base is vast & it is upto us how we tap this resourse. Some may use phrases used in the west, while I might use phrases like 'Ragi' is is quite common (famous) where I come from, but unheard of in other parts of the world. We just have to share our knowledge with each other & learn what we can gather from others. The best part is that I have learned a lot of new things here & I'm sure many others here have learned a lot too.

Amir, the rod & line is very important, but it is more important to understand the basics of the rod, reel & line. I am just getting mine right (big thanks to Kit) & it surely helped me today.

I would suggest that you pick up a 0.30 line, a decent reel(no need for a big one). A medium-light action rod, which can be used to fish in the creek or off the surf & some decent lures. Rapala is a brand name & I would strongly suggest that you ask around the place for something that you could adapt to your style of fishing, based on where you are fishing & what you intend on catching. As per me, I would prefer 'Yo-Zuri' lures, although I use different brands of lures. Lures vary from floaters, poppers (break the surface of the water), sinkers etc. Different lures have a different action & the lip of the lure plays a major part on the swimming depth of the lure.

AED 200.00 would be quite good to start of a basic kit & you can always improve once you feel the need to go ahead.

Kit (person) would be able to give you some very valuable advise on picking a rod, line, reel, lures etc. Talk to him before you decide what to buy. Pranab is the best guy to take you a round & can definately get you a good deal on your purchases. Not to forget that he is a guy who will 'NEVER' say no to anyone who needs any help or assistance. You are also free to talk to me anytime you want. Pranab, heber, iftekhar, kit all have my contact no.

HI Jamie,

I did try going around the shops in Deira & was unable to get any surface poppers. It could be available, but I didnt find any.
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 4:26 am:   

greetings from east swansea

i fly to dubai on friday and am just getting my pieces and bits together before going on one last big session to watch the ospreys win the magners league later today.

someone mentioned that surface poppers were difficult to obtain in dubai. could you please let me know which lures to get and I shall try to get a supply this week before i leave.

thanks again for all the info, i'm looking forward to turning pink and casting a line in warming climates once again!

jamie
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 2:16 am:   

Dear Amir ,

Can you pls give your cell no so that i can save your no in my fish friend diary as i got too many amirs in my cell now .

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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 1:04 am:   

HI Pranab,

Thanks for the quick response. I would definitely get in touch with you. As I am off from work on Thursdays & Fridays, therefore, once I get my fishing license, you would be the first person who I would get in touch with.

Thanks for the offer to take me with you so that I could get the fising equippment and surely I would require your guidance while purchasing the equiptment.


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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 12:55 am:   

hi amir ,

Thanks for your post . yes rapalas can be used for shroe fishing also . preferebly near sea side. dont go for expensive rod . call me on my cell i can take u around in my car then u decide for the rod as per your budget . AED 100 IS ENOUGH for you . For freshers use like size .40 or .50 . Dont worry about any thing . Here in dubai the fishing community is very helpful . i am giving my cell no get in touch with me . or just give a miss call and i will call u back

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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 12:34 am:   

Hi Pranab.

I am also interested in fishing. I used to do some sea bottom fishing back in Pakistan but that was with a simple line, some hooks, weights and used shrimps as baits. That should make it clear that I am a biginner in fishing and have not used a fishing rod so far.

I have been in Dubai for the last 3 months only. I have not yet got my driving license. Once I get that then I would start fishing.

In this forum I have read the valuable information on how to get the fishing license and in the coming few weeks I would also apply for one.

I needed some help with respect to use a fishing rod. Where can I get a fising rod with the neccessary accessories. I would appreciate your help in respect to the following questions.

1- Of what I have seen is that ruppalas are used for trawlling and no bait is attached to them. Would ruppalas be used for shore fishing as well and would bait be attached to them?

2- Is a one piece fishing rod better or the one that is actually in two or three pieces which can be dismantled.

3- Do I get a cheap rod as I would be a begginner or else should get a professional fishing rod.

4- What would be the ideal size or weight of the fishing line for me (a begginer) and what would be the estimated cost of the fishing rod, line, etc.

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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   

hi guys ,

I watched a couple of things today while fishing .
Due to hot weather the stones and the land heats up and the oxygen level is evapourating from near the coast line . Hence the fishes are moving from the inner ridge to the outer ridge . So inorder to reach them u must cast longer . I practiced that i did catch fish tht way , when most of the others were not getting it .

So my advice to all my friends out there pls go for long casts .

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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   

hi guys ,

todays fishing enviornment


Most recent data
Parameter Value Date/Time Taken
Significant wave height Hs 0.19m 12/05/07 09:00:00
Peak wave period Tp 3.40s 12/05/07 09:00:00
Peak wave direction 330°N 12/05/07 09:00:00
Tidal Level 1.31m DMD 12/05/07 09:00:00
Our weather station is still out of service. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. In the meantime, Dubai wind and temperature data can be found here:

Current wind and temperature in Dubai

Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
Low 14:29 Today 0.50
High 20:59 Today 1.50
Low 02:36 Tomorrow 0.92
High 08:48 Tomorrow 1.61


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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 2:39 pm:   

Angler13, I know I asked everyone to ignore you, but heres something to just shut you up.


1. whats a blue angel? whats it second to and what is it's best position?

The Blue Angel is a sprocket, a trolling lure made in australia and made famous by its maker, Peter Pakula...second only to the Lumo Sprocket, which is the flagship of the lure line, PAKULA lures. Both work best in the long rigger position. The Lumo sprocket accounts for nearly 50% of the tournament wins and is one of the top 10 best marlin lures of the world.

2. what do you mean by sunset in fishing terms and what is its opposite?

Sunset refers to the position of a lever when you lock the spool up, an agressive fighting technique often used for big marlin and tuna. often used as a last ditch effort in turning the fish. its oposite is called freespool.

3. what is a shotgun and what is its opposite?

Shotgun is a position of the fifth lure of a standard 5 lure pattern, its the one thats way out where there is no more wake or engine wash.

There is no oposite?!...the closest thing would be the shortest lure on the spread (is that what you mean?) which is the short corner.

4. where do you buy a candybar?
Do you mean a Candybar jig? you can't buy them anymore, they were taken over by Tady.

5. what is a dice?
A Dice or a Dice Pattern? - The Dice trolling pattern is an old school pattern wherein the corner lines and the rigger lines are of the same length, usually done with bait, later on, skippers discovered that a staggered pattern works better...

Now, do I need to send you my resume?

Just drop it dude...its seriously getting old!

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Hope to meet more of you guys later!!!

This morning should give us some nice fishing.

I'm as excited as a bat in the night...LOL

See you in the Surf,

K!T
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:44 am:   

I will shut my trap and be a by-stander if someone here could answer some questions...let's see how smart you people are.

1. whats a blue angel? whats it second to and what is it's best position?

2. what do you mean by sunset in fishing terms and what is its opposite?

3. what is a shotgun and what is its opposite?

4. where do you buy a candybar?

5. what is a dice?


so the game begins. go ahead and search for it in the net, i would be amused if someone in this forum could answer it...would mean that you know what you're talking about and I might, I just might shut up. these are all fishing terms and hey, should tell you a lot about just how much i have in my head...anybody in here taking a bite?
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 3:04 am:   

Yup Kit !

will see you on sat morning, bright & early :o)
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 1:58 am:   

Hey guys,

Let's just drop the topic about angler13, ignore him, he only answers when he is humored.

It's the weekend and it's fishing time again!!!

Can't wait to get out there.

See you in the Surf!

K!T
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 11:54 pm:   

HI ronny,

thanks for your call a couple of days ago. Sorry I dont have your no. It got deleted when I changed sims while travelling out of the country. Will meet you sometime.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 11:24 pm:   

Hi Friends,
Today, indeed i had a good experience with Pranab. We really had a challenging time with his 5lb line. Bravo Pranab, and thanks for sharing your ideas.
We started at 3 in the morning, checked Maktoom bridge for any of our forum friends then we dashed to Jum. where he explained to me various types of Rafalas and when-where to use them etc etc. It was interesting topic, n then at 6.30 he had his first barracuda on 1st go. followed by many more. Others were not as lucky as Pranab except Omar who managed to catch one barracuda.
There was another elderly guy - Mr.Dada, he has very long exp.
Altogether it was wonderful and challenging day for us. Hope you guys have a wonderful weekend.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   

Hi all ,

I have a small request . Its ok all make mistakes and i always belive failure are the pillar of success .

I really want to extend my hands of friendship to angler 13 as he is part of this fishing fourm . I am sure we all can learn from him .

As i said we can learn from each other so he is no exception . I also request all you guys including heber who is one of my best friend in the forum to extend their friendship hand to angler 13 . I am sure angler 13 will be intergal part of our friends circle . And in time we all will smile and joke on at the surf.

Please give consideration to my request i am asking every one of you specally angler 13 , heber , keyur , clement and every one else.

Lets make the fishing community of dubai a better place . its time to move on guys .

pranab

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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   

Hey ronald ,

The fish that omar gave it to you i found it at the back of my truck . As we catch and released all i did not know tht there is a fish at the back of the truck . Any ways i got the fish and put in my office freezer now . Let me know when you want to take your fish . As i dont need any fish for now .

Hey sorry for making you run behing my car . I really did not notice it when i dropped u at the abra .

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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   

hi guys ,

today hv been to the sea side along with ronald our newest member . I tried angler 13 idea and tried with a 5 lbs line to catch barracudas . And yes i did catch 4 of them . One i kept for my friend who is a chef at welcare hospital . Rest was released . The line was so thin first time when i tried to cast my yazuri rapala it broke in between . But then i changed to a new silver minnow which is much lighter and the casts were pretty longer . Only thing i had to keep the drag loose as i realised big baracuda strikes i hv to survive without breaking the line . And once that was taken care of it was easy to pull them out .

Any ways thanks angler 13 for giving me the idea and special thanks to kit who vouched about tht facts that very thin lines can pull bigger fishes . Really in the begening i also did not belive until i tried it out today.

Thanks every one for making this forum a sucess . I wish a few more guys showed interst to go for the competetion .

For your information i wont take part in the competetion but its my dream to organise such an even for my angler buddies .

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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:24 pm:   

hi guys ,

todays fishing enviornment

Most recent data
Parameter Value Date/Time Taken
Significant wave height Hs 0.12m 10/05/07 08:30:00
Peak wave period Tp 4.50s 10/05/07 08:30:00
Peak wave direction 303°N 10/05/07 08:30:00
Tidal Level 0.94m DMD 10/05/07 08:30:00
Our weather station is still out of service. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. In the meantime, Dubai wind and temperature data can be found here:

Current wind and temperature in Dubai

Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
Low 12:37 Today 0.48
High 19:06 Today 1.29
Low 23:17 Today 1.08
High 05:57 Tomorrow 1.63


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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 9:43 pm:   

Hey (m)Angler13!so how r u buddy?You're one helluva guy!hmmm........so you were rated like what,62?????????Great!Congrats man!They(whoever it was that rated you)did it good to agree with you that you are an elite barbarian!Hip,hip hooray!So,you're like from the old school of barbarians where it's all yell and bellow"bloody murder" to get ur point across to your worthy opponents???????Numskull, ur the one with a thick skull pal coz it takes that much time to get ur thoughts and ideas to get across to others.(m)angler13!Whopeee I love this name.So you are christened (m)Angler13 now on coz all you do is (m)Angle,(m)Angle and more (m)Angle people.So you're from the old class of elite barbarians,Gr8!You know what each rating stands for-for starters-barbarian,insensitive,dimented,numskull,etc,etc,etc.whoa,62 different filthy virtues of yours!Like Keyur said before,start treating your own species right first man before you think of a basket load of fish!Things will be fine.Pal,your nerves are frayed!Attend to them first before you dump obscenities on fellow members!
Jess my fren,don't you take to heart what our dear (m)Angler13 tells or YELLS!Actually he wasn't complementing any of us here on the forum-he was just complementing his gr8 self with those very words he used(coz he worded it that way intentionally for his own benefit)-the only thing he's absolutely good at!
Buddy,while you and I are,very and truly,busy 'pitch-fork-ing' each other here in the forum and I'm (m)Angling you and you are (m)Angling the rest of the forum thru your posts,the genuine anglers are out there having a gr8 time and loads of fun learning new things and sharing experiences with each other and organising gr8 stuff-for eg:Pranab.And FYI quite a lot of other guys other than Pranab and one other guy as you put it,are having fun catching and releasing fish.They've been gentlemen enough and men enough to admit their mistakes and carry on while you're still out here,instead of the blue waters, busy (m)Angling people!They're the gutsy ones,you're the sissy here busy hammering people even after they've changed!What are you doin?knocking your skull against a wall,quit before it does you more damage pal!If you can't share your knowledge,please,wear a helmet and a breast plate and hold a torch over your cranium and walk all around Dubai's beaches and creek and waterfronts and under the bridges so your intelligence won't spill out and people can see the "intellect" walking around to enlighten mankind!What will the caption read???????"LOOK YE ,LOOK YE MANKIND AND LEARN FROM ME YOU MORTALS.I'M FULL OF KNOWLEDGE I FEAR WILL SPILL FROM THE RECESSES OF MY CRANIAL CAVITY (LEST IT FALL AND MAKE THEE KNOWLEDGABLE TOO)"
Intellectuals like you do more harm than good to human kind.You are an insult to our species you high minded nitwit!
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 9:24 pm:   

Hi Kit,

it was nice meeting you last weekend in Jumeirah & at that point, I realised how much more I could learn. Those few mins with you taught me something new & being with you guys like you just helps me grow. Learning & education is life long & if anyone thinks that he knows enough, knows nothing. The mind is just like a parachute (others are CH*T$), it works only when its open.

Dudes, Angler 13, I'm sure that you do know a lot, so why not just stop the slander & share some of your knowledge with the people around. The more you share, the more you learn. Especially since people say that they are willing to learn, give it a shot dude, one chance is all we ask.

Hopefully things will change for the better. If they dont, what the heck, you tried. Ultimately its the goal that you have towards conservation, if it makes a difference to someone, heck, your successful.

Lets keep our egos aside, I know that a lot of egos are bruised. Remember in life, pride is always our downfall, at the same time if we do not have any pride, we do not have anything. So lets salvage whatever pride we have left, pick ourselves up & dust ourselves & move on.

What have happened & what has been said is done & over with. Its time to set sail & move on. The journey has only just begun.


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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 8:20 pm:   

Angler13,

I don't blame you pal, its your father and mother.. May be your teacher's too.... They've brought up an absolute arrogant moron.

You f(regg)in idiot, appreciate your hard work of voting yourself 62 times. I did that once to test if you can vote yourself and yes, it works. And that means you are a self gratifier ;)) - you pat yourself both in the forum and in private 62 times....



Tightlines & bent rods & no morons.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:42 am:   

Hey guys!

Angler13, please...dude, stop. I know that you are so passionate about catch and release, I get that and I'm sure that the others get that already.

I've been fortunate enough to fish with some of the guys here and they are pretty ok.

Pranab, the gift has arrvied and will be in your hands in the weekend...

I belive that we can learn from each other, no matter how much experience you have, I have been fishing almost all my life and have caught (and released) a lot of different fish from all over, but I always learn something from someone and continue to do so when I meet new people, thats whats so great about this sport, no matter how old you are, you can still learn something new...if you keep an open mind. I'm always keen to share what I know, if any of you take interest on something that you see me do, just go ahead and ask me and I would be more than willing to explain things to you.

People, Pranab is proposing a catch and release tournament, I'm with him on this, lets get together one weekend and just fish, have fun and enjoy each other's company. I spoke with him yesterday and I believe its a good idea, its an opportunity for everyone to meet and share ideas, as well as just go out there and catch some fish.

see you in the surf,

K!T
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 9:26 am:   

here comes another idiot...oh well, another day another sucker. do you honestly think, i mean seriously, think that your comments would stop all this? live a little man, ur one of those idiots who kill too much. when was the last time you released fish anyway? i dont see anyone here but pranab and one other guy. what about the rest of you?

so what if i post rough words to convey my thoughts? IF IT TAKES THAT MUCH TO GET THROUGH TO YOUR THICK SKULLS ILL DO SO WITH NO RESERVATION. i dont have qualms.

jess, you rated yourself...HAHAHAHAHAHAH one rate? one of my post has 62! what does that mean? freggin idiot...it occured to me that i have to explain since you guys dont really know what i'm taking about most of the time - it means that to your one vote (if you didnt vote for youself) there are 62 people who agree with me.

ive seen so many things in dubai that are backwards, you know, pretty much most of you here too.

where do i see the killing you ask? ive been around the bridges and the beaches, all over...most of you are poachers, what can i say?

so before you ask where when what where, dont be an idiot and just look to your side...oops...too late...you already are.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 8:53 am:   

Hey Great Pranab,

do have a good time. Do let me know what the situation is like. I'm not sure if I will go fishing this Friday, but surely on Sat.

Take care & C ya soon.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 6:12 am:   

hi keyur ,

How was your trip in quatar . Did you fish there . In the mean time i met a amazing philipino man at jumeriah . He told me about his fishing experience . He is himself a diver . The best part is today morning he dived and returned at least 5 rapalas to my friends . Great man he can dive without a cylinder and can stay long time inside . He told off the coast of jumeriah there are big red snappers down there .

He invited me to go on thrusday early morning 3 with him fishing with his friends on the rocks off jumeriah madinat area . So looking forward for an exciting morning .

For friday not yet decided but hopefully will try to dip my lures at RAK . A fishing buddy from RAK invited me to fish along with his friends . So myself kit and another brit guy from deira hopefully go for that area .

Will keep you posted about it
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 1:34 am:   

Wooooooooo !

Dudes,

I have just been away 2 days and a lot has happened.

This is more of a surprise as I thought that this issue was sorted out ages ago. I thought Angler13 said that it was his last post (some days ago) & things would be back to normal. This seems to be a personal matter between us fishermen who fish for pleasure, for plate & a little more.

whats up guys ?
I know Pranab & heber personally now & have been out with them a couple of times. Great people, great fun to be with, warm hearted people & ever willing to learn something new. Angler 13, I mentioned in a personal mail that we are coming back in line, people have admitted their mistake & we agree with some points that you made, its just that your way of approaching the matter & attitude should change.

Why ruffle the feathers if you want to drive a point ?


Its a simple lesson you can make someone learn their lessons well & get the desired results that 'YOU' want / or would like to see or you can go about accusing, slandering & upsetting people. I guess some people have to learn how to treat their own kind / fellow men before they save other species. Its funny how people react to different situations. We are all individuals & all unique in our own way.

We want to set a common goal, so lets just try & do that. We can definately get the desired results, but theres always a way to do things in a positive, healthy atmosphere.

While I can only shake my head & say that this shouldnt have turned out the way it did. I respect Pranab, heber, iftkhar, Kit & a lot of other people here in this forum. Its not that they are all way above me, but they are now a part of my life & my learning experience & above all 'HUMAN BEINGS'....Thanks for being my friends. I salute your positive attitude & persiverence to do the right thing.

Come on guys lets make a difference. After all we are gonna continue fishing. That will not stop. Lets have fun doing what we like & also be responsible people. Its good that sooooo many feeling were left out in the open, & it will help us understand each other better.

This forum is very much alive as of today & hope it remains that way with some healthy discussions.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 12:30 am:   

hi clement ,

quote from your post

Pranab ofcourse!It's all the foolish ,idiotic post put up by Pranab that made it look like the slaughter than it really was intended to be and in all probability his idea to exchange fish for more bait!Can't you figure that out you bimbo!

May i knw where u got this i exchanged the fish for bait . I think you got it wrong . Please read my post clearly then make your comment .

I would appreciate that . Recently i hv seen people around here are no longer intersted in fishing and they keep fighting . I asked them to come and join hands to do some good for fishing . But no one seems intersted in a healthy enviorment of a tournament . Because i did not see even a single postregarding that .

Its seems all about politics of bush and blair . Buddy we hv enought dirty politics in middleast for the black gold .

Lets stop this spitting game and come and talk fishing .

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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 12:08 am:   

Bravo Clement !!!! Bravo !!!!!
My, what a post. ROTFLOLAL

and there is much difference between 'touching' and 'hitting' a nerve and yes, Heber did just that, the gentleman that he is, he did no more.

"Buddy,you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" and
"It takes a fool to bring to task another fool his equal but a wise man to correct his fellow friends to acheive what he desires." and
"All this mud slinging will only land up more dirt and get us all dirtier but helping clean up this will make everyone feel better.You are educated,come show some education and educate those who don't know what you already know,only then will you be doing"your bit"

What more do you need Angler13. You have polluted the board and made it a filth pit.
Either do something positive or back off.

Jess

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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 11:38 pm:   

Thanks Angler13,but do yourself a favour before you pat urself!Go fishing with these guys just one day and see if they really kill fish all the time.Get ur facts right man before all this mud slinging and ur so called"touch a nerve"thing!Whoaa,by the way I guess Heber did "hit a nerve"didnt he when he backlashed at you?You nerd,you took the bait!Ha!Man!have a look at the picture and figure for urself who the butcher is -obviously the one with the larger catch you jackass.So who do you think needs to be educated?Pranab ofcourse!It's all the foolish ,idiotic post put up by Pranab that made it look like the slaughter than it really was intended to be and in all probability his idea to exchange fish for more bait!Can't you figure that out you bimbo!
Remember buddy it takes two to play a game.It ends when one puts an end to all this "drive the nail home with harsh words".You educated bimbo,you can acheive more with your friendly talk and advice than you would with a life time of war and hatred and unwholesome words(the same words you urself have used)!Man you got something to share,do it in a pleasanter way then your crazy humiliating language-remember anyone can be as much a barbarian as you!Just by reading some bimbo's post you jump to conclusions????????What kinda a nitwit are you?Go ask the guy who posted the "slaughter post" in graphic detail whose idea was it to "kill as many as he could for the record" and got a thrill out of killing his fish!Buddy,you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar!Go be a friend man and try to do your so called "little part" with a lot less tension.Or stay around and let someone else do a better job with better etiquettes!Remember-The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.True,we do not inherit this land from our ancestors,we borrow it from our children.But,there is always a but!But,there is a way of helping people realise it.Never look down on anybody unless you help him up man!And there is nothing in a caterpillar that will tell you it's going to be abutterfly!So how in hell did you figure out these guys kill all the time you jerk?I guess it'll do good for people to stay away from people like Pranab with his mega slaughter plans like the one he posted!
Don't tell people how to do things,tell what to do and let them surprise you with the results.Hey pal,the best way to cheer urself is to cheer someone else,so go out there and do that buddy.You'll be really satisfied with the returns man!You can make the waters filthier with hard talk or clear up the mess so more people can learn from your vast experience and benefit from your knowledge.It takes a fool to bring to task another fool his equal but a wise man to correct his fellow friends to acheive what he desires.All this mud slinging will only land up more dirt and get us all dirtier but helping clean up this will make everyone feel better.You are educated,come show some education and educate those who don't know what you already know,only then will you be doing"your bit".Take it easy buddy!
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 9:57 pm:   

THANKS HUNTER FOR YOUR INPUT , IT WAS NICE SPENDING TIME WITH YOU YESTERDAY BY THE SEA SIDE . ANWAYS MAKE TIME WITH YOUR WIFE TO GIVE ME THE GIFT THAT I AM WAITING FOR THE WEEKEND FISHING .

REGARDS
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 9:55 pm:   

hi tamimi ,

Thanks for the input man . This is what i want people to share their expericne in the forum .

TODAYS FISHING ENVIORNMENT
Most recent data
Parameter Value Date/Time Taken
Significant wave height Hs 0.19m 09/05/07 08:00:00
Peak wave period Tp 5.80s 09/05/07 08:00:00
Peak wave direction 142°N 09/05/07 08:00:00
Tidal Level 0.78m DMD 09/05/07 08:00:00
Our weather station is still out of service. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. In the meantime, Dubai wind and temperature data can be found here:

Current wind and temperature in Dubai

Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
Low 11:32 Today 0.46
High 17:51 Today 1.26
Low 21:56 Today 1.06
High 04:39 Tomorrow 1.69
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 1:11 pm:   

Hi guys,

I hope this helps in understanding more about the diameters and tensile strenght of fishing lines.

each corresponding line strenght (measured by KG or LBS) is divided into two categories - line test and line class. line test means that the line has a strength of AT least the pound test indicated (if its 20lbs test, this means that it breaks at 20lbs STRAIN or more) line class however means that the breaking strain of the line is ON OR LESS than the line test on the label - this type of line is mostly used for IGFA tournaments (International Game Fish Association - the record keepers of the sport fishing world)

I hope that part is clear.

EACH POUND RATING HAS A CORRESPONDING DIAMETER - 20lbs test has a thinner diameter than 30LBS test .50 diameter line is I believe is 30lbs test.

The tensile strength or the breaking strain of the line does not dictate the size of the fish you catch...I checked angler 13's claim and have found this website http://www.bigmarinefish.com/photos_white_marlin_pg1.html - if you check it, you will see that theres a list of world records on there. all with thin diameter lines and with fish that only most of us can dream of.

A BALANCED outfit is needed for optimum performance, it means that your rod's line rating, reel's pound rating and your line have to be coordinated. (a rod with a range of 12-25lbs test should be paired with a reel that has a range of 12-20 etc. and you spool up with a maximum of 20 lbs test, this where your personal preference would come into play. For me, I like using thin line, if I was to fill a reel with line in this scenario, I would choose the lower end, which is 12lbs test.) the less poundage you pack on your reel, the more your line, going up the scale, you get lesser line because of the thickness.

A balanced outfit will litterally blast your lure out there, as some of you might have seen me do in Jumeirah Beach, even if I use a light and smaller lure, my casting distance would be significantly farther than someone casting a CD14 magnum on 30LBS test, if I cast with the same lure, my distance would be double or more.

Pranab's Idea is a good one, I'm in.

See you in the surf!

K!T
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 6:10 am:   

Hi guys ,

I always take things in a open mind . I am happy to see so many posts on this forum . I always belive freedom of speech .

My request please dont blame each other . That is not constructive . Lets join hands and do something constructive .

3 months before when i joined this forum it was almost dead . But today i am happy to see at least there is a controversy .

And people are participating here in a debate . But we should all take it in a light way .

Dont be too serious about it . I will tell you i did learn something from ANGLER 13 also . Like when he wrote i am fishing with thick lines .

Belive me i always knew at dubai 0.50 is a standard line and that too from a previous post from Ameer Nadimwala . And i was relegiously following that standard because that 0.50 line did never did bird nest in windy condition and it was easy to catch fish with that for me .

But now comes the brighter side . When angler 13 told that i am fishing with thick line i first thought wht is he talking about .

As you all know i always do my research to the depth . And wht did i find out . I did learn that mono lines are graded as per diameter of the line which goes on like this 0.20 , 0.30.0.40 , 0.50, 0.60 , 0.80 bla bla .

There is also another criteria of line determination . Its known as lb test . If you see the sticker on a line it says 20 lbs test .30lbs test , 40 lbs test . It means the streach strength at which the line will break .

Lbs most probably if i am not wrong is a british standard of pressure .

So if we convert it into kgs it will be approximately half .

So here it goes :

0.50 lb test 0.40 lb test 0.30 lb test 0.20 lb

If converted to kgs its almost half ( this is approximation )

25 kgs 20 kgs 15 kgs 10kgs

So now it means if you have 0.20 lb test line ( in other words a 10 kg fish can be easily handled with 0.20 line )

In practicality people at times catch fishes bigger fish than 10 kgs may be 12 kgs or 14 kgs with that line just to make fishing exciting .

Same goes with rods . If you catch a big fish with thin rods its more exciting . You give the fish a better chance to fight with you .

Belive me i am not ashamed to say that i did not knew this before angler 13 tried to laugh at me when i wrote i caught barracuda with 0.50 line .

It means i used a over capicity line to catch a small fish . Not only that but also i learn a new lesson by researching .

Now i know while researching if i use thinner lines my casts goes much further . I do have strong shouders which i was mis using throwing thicker lines . Now my throw can disappear in the wide sea using thinner lines .

What i mean to say guys please try to extract the best thing out of a critisism and only then we can progress in ur fishing career .

I really thank angler 13 for critisizing me other wise i would never learn this side of fishing .

Last but not the least . I have a sugession to all my fellow anglers . I am thinking of organising a friendly fishing competetion in next weekend if all of you agree .

Lets pitch in AED 100 OR AED 50 WHICH EVER IS OK WITH EVERY ONE . THATS THE MINIMUM ENTRY PER PARTICIPANT FOR THE FISHING COMPETETION .

LETS ALL COME AT JUMERIAH SEA BEACH AND LIGHT UP THE SEA SIDE WITH OUR FISHING SKILLS .

THE MONEY COLLECTED MAY BE FOR EXAMPLE 20 ANGLERS SO AROUND AED 2000 OR IF 25 PARTICIPANT AROUND AED 2500 WILL BE USED TO BUY A SHIMINO STELLA 10000 FOR THE WINNER OF THE COMPETETION .

WITHIN ONE HOUR OF TIME STARTING FROM MORNING 6.30 TO 7.15 IN ( 45 MINS ) WHO EVER CATCHES MAXIMUM BARRACUDA WILL BE THE WINNER .

I PRESONALLY THINK ITS A GOOD THING FOR OUR ANGLER FRIENDS . HERE WE CAN KNOW EACH OTHER AND SHAKE HANDS WITH EACH OTHER . WE HERE KNOW EACH OTHR OVER NET . BUT THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTNITY TO MEET EACH OTHER PHYSICALLY . AND MORE OVER EVEN THE NEW FORUM MEMBERS ARE ALL WELCOME TO JOIN THIS EVENT SO THAT THEY CAN WATCH EXPERIENCE ANGLERS LIKE ANGLER 13, KIT , KEYUR ,CHUA , MENEN , AND TAKE INSPIRATION FOR THIS GREAT SPORT .

I THINK AFTER THIS HEATED DISCUSSION ITS TIME TO COOL OFF AND THIS IS THE PERFECT BACK DROP FOR ALL OF US TO SHAKE OUR FRIENDSHIP HANDS AND HAVE A BROTHERLY FEELING AND SHAKE OFF UNWANTED EGOS .

PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MY SUGESSION . IF YOU ALL AGREE I CAN ARRANGE MAY BE MY HOUSE OR ANY OF OUR ANGLER FRIENDS HOUSE TO MAKE A MEETING POINT.

I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HOST THIS EVENT AND LEARN SOME VALUABLE TIPS FROM MY FELLOW ANGLER FRIENDS .

BEST REGARDS

PRANAB

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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 5:43 am:   

hi guys,

todays fishing enviornment

Most recent data
Parameter Value Date/Time Taken
Significant wave height Hs 0.35m 08/05/07 16:00:00
Peak wave period Tp 6.40s 08/05/07 16:00:00
Peak wave direction 319°N 08/05/07 16:00:00
Tidal Level 1.09m DMD 08/05/07 16:00:00
Our weather station is still out of service. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. In the meantime, Dubai wind and temperature data can be found here:

Current wind and temperature in Dubai

Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
High 16:45 Today 1.28
Low 20:56 Today 1.01
High 03:40 Tomorrow 1.74
Low 11:32 Tomorrow 0.46


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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 2:49 am:   

Hi Friends,
What's happening....take it easy guys.
As Xiphias said - we are no experts; we are here to learn from each other.
I would appreciate if you'll forgive each other and start sharing your recent fishing experiences.....others and me will learn something.
Life is too short, lets give our best.

Ronald
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:28 am:   

Hi Peeps,

Just reading through, Interesting posts you have here. What can I say?... :-)

I'll just stand in the sidelines and read. :-)

I'm no expert; anyway I believe each of you have good and valid points and that theres a lot we could learn from each other, I agree with Pranab when he said we just have to keep an open mind.

see you in the surf!

K!T
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 12:16 am:   

AND THANKS ANGLER FOR KILLING THE FORUM. WE APPRECIATE IT.


Tight lines & bent rods.
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:59 pm:   

jess, you are another idiot. you need a lot of education...how could i rate myself? and what the hell are you talking about rating anyway?

if you souly think that commercial fishing is the reason for depletion, you really are ignorant.

every fish counts, as sportsmen, you fish for sport...not for food. the reason why you can go fishing is because you can afford it. fishing isnt cheap...next time you get a rod, get a brain as well.

for everyone who still has not figured things out...

I DID WHAT I DID TO GET THIS FORUM ALIVE...and get some education in kill and eat community and an otherwise DEAD forum.

LOOK...there are so many posts now...am i sorry? hell no.
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 9:37 pm:   

Angler13,

Kindly stop rating yourself....looks silly.


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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 9:35 pm:   

Hi Guys,

Been reading this forum since early 2006 and did enjoy visiting these pages every now and then. It was the best meeting place for the fishing community here but am shocked at the recent posts and here is what I want to comment:

Pranab : Appreciate your enthusiasm and you have certainly learnt a lot in these few weeks of fishing. Your willingness to teach and learn shows you are keen in this sport. Regarding the controversy, it is not the catch and release problem that triggered everything off, but your action post which did upset all. Keep posting....I'll be learning a lot from you.

Heber : Buddy, you are a senior member of this forum and I remember you were there before I first visited this forum and we have all learnt from your various posts. You should continue posting irrespective of what has happened. I did meet you once at the Municipality maybe three years ago when I came to get my licence. It was the bigger laminated stuff, not the cards that we have now. Remember????? Do you still go deep sea??

Angler13 : Friend, you are not of any help. You have caused a lot of damage in this forum for worthless reasons and you pride in it. What a bum. By catching and not releasing a small quantity of fish will not deplete fish stocks and cause great disappearance of fish. Mass fishing by nets needs to be controlled and you are not doing a favour to the fish community by putting back a dozen fish into the mighty ocean. And you can never be reduced to a person like Heber. Just hope that no one decreases to be a person like you.

Jock: "To not practise catch and release is to admit your ignorance and lack of knowledge about fishing". Again, it is commercial fishing that depletes stock in the ocean and not sport fishing. This shows your ignorance of the sport.

I believe in "Catch, keep what you want, Release the rest'. If you want to keep your catch, that's fine as long as you don't take all the fish in the ocean, the spawning ones, the juvenile ones....

GUYS, CAN WE PUT AN END TO THIS TOPIC AND CONTINUE FISHING OR ELSE WE WILL KEEP LOSING MEMBERS AND THIS FORUM WILL NOT SERVE ITS PURPOSE ????

Tight lines & bent rods.....
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 2:42 pm:   

wow, isnt this beautiful, my little remark sparked a lot of posts!

heres the thing, if you are insulted with what i said, then i hit a home run with you. heres a reality THE TRUTH HURTS..dont it heber? you call yourself angler/sportsman, albeit in a very sarcastic manner and all you could say is "i dont believe in catch and release"...i'd have to say, you are an idiot...sorry, i take that back. you are an ignorant idiot from the dark ages.

Pranab, I'm not sorry for saying these things because if it takes harsh comments to hammer down the point to people, then so be it! why should i stand around and let idiots like him run amok? iftkhar, you are another one! catching 75 fish in one night and keeping all of them? jeeze! people, if there is one person you should blame for fish depletion, heres one of them right here in this forum!

awwww...heber...your last post? i hit your nerve? need a hug? i was right about you when i made that post. i intentionally worded it that way to gain a reaction from you...man, you are as dumb as you are ignorant!

i am sick and tired of seeing you guys KILL...tell me something, are you hungry all the time?

there is no harm in keeping a fish or two for the table...hell i do that too! but keeping all of the fish you catch because you are afraid that someone else will catch it?...oh...wow, heres another word that totally describes you, GREEDY! whoaaaaaaaaaaa...what line do you use again? 50 lbs test for a small barracuda? oh..wow..that hit another home run...

i have fished in places that a lot of people can only dream of, caught fish that only a handful in this forum can only dream of and i am thankful for whatever god is up there that i am previleged enough to have done that...and it pisses me off that most of you here have the audacity to post in a matter of factly tone that you kill all your catch...and you are proud of it...whats the best fish msot of you caught here? a barracuda?

heres a fact for you people the largest blue marlin taken on 12lbs test line is 604lbs. thats LESS than half of what you people mostly use...something to think about...

I believe that some of you guys are ok...education as one of the posts here suggested. there is still hope...if not, well, dubai will be a hard place to fish in, but like i said before, the harder it is to fish here, the better for people like me who can still catch fish even if the going gets tough.

angling is an art, I believe in skill and not in luck when it comes to fishing, proven that time and time again, i still have a lot to learn, as most of us here, but if i dont make my little contribution to the sport (like releasing fish) i will be reduced to people like...heber here for example...

just when you thought you were at a class of your own, here comes a guy who isnt afraid to voice out...ouch...i dont blame you if you dont return...i would be ashamed too if i was humiliated like that...but then again, im pretty sure that a lot of people here are guilty...and for you voicing your ignorant comments out...you truely deserve every ounce of humiliation.

thats all folks!!! thanks for those who have seen my point, and if you still dont get it...man...you are a sad sad man.
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 10:18 am:   

I have read this forum for some time but only now felt compelled to post my thoughts.
The issue is that of Catch & release, the key word, education.
I am a keen fisherman and have been fortunate enough to have fished all over the world, from Marlin fishing off the coast of Australia to wild brown trout fishing in the highlands of Scotland, I love all kinds of fishing.
As Fisherman we must realise that fishing is now a privelage not our right and every little helps.
I am afraid I must strongly disagree with alot of the views posted on this site. To not practise catch and release is to admit your ignorance and lack of knowledge about fishing.
Fish stocks are under huge pressure on a global scale and are running out fast. If things continue at this rate our grandchildren will not be able to enjoy the sport we love. To kill something and justify it by saying if you dont then someone else will is unacceptable.This is not an arrogant opinion but an educated one. I have nothing against taking a fresh fish to be eaten that day - what could be more satisfying than catching and eating your own fish, but that is as far as it should go. Never take more than that for your own consumtion that day or the next.
In many pasrts of the world there are limits to how many fish you can take and a size restriction with heavy penalties for those breaking these laws and that is what I am lobbying for here.

So for those who do not practice catch and release (and judging by some of the photos on this forum over the months that is quite a few of you) then get out of the dark ages, get educated and start protecting the delicate eco system that provides us all with hours of pleasure and the odd tasty fresh fish for dinner.
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 5:13 am:   

Dear All

Hi this is Tayyab, infact from last 4 months i am reading views and information of different guys on fishing in Dubai on this site but i think its time to get registered, Specially Pranab is very active member of this forum sharing lots of ideas and experiences what ever he is gaining, which is very helpful for amateur fishermens like me. With passage of time i will ask informations about fishing from u guys i hope you peoples will not mind.

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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:21 am:   

Hi Everybody,
This is Ronald here, and i am new to this forum.
I know Pranab and went fishing with him. I thanks each one of you for sharing your wonderful ideas and giving time to know each other. This is an excellent site and i enjoy reading it.
Keep up the good work....!!!

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Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:33 pm:   

hi guys ,

I just read the the posts about catch and release . If you dont mind let me make some comment on this .

First of all this forum is for fishermen to exchange ideas . I dont want this forum to turn out to be a spitting field .

Let me tell you i met a guy named kit . He is from usa and belive me i felt i did not knew a lot of things after i met him .

There is a way to talk to people and get your message through . I think people like kit will do good for the education of fishermen and for conservation .

Kit showned me the way how to release a fish without getting it hurt . So did another of my forum friend chua who exchanged his idea of pressing the barbed hook .

I spoke to them a lot on this issue and both of them told that if u take 1 fish or 2 fish a day its not a harm .

I also personally think that . But what i am seeing here being done in the forum , some people are very arrogant while they voice their views . \

Like i dont want to exchange my knowledge with others and calling others as killers .

Can i ask what objective can he achieve by doing this . If some one dont want to exchange views and experience its quite ok . I cant stop them . But my request is dont spoil a nice site with uncalld remarks .

This site is the only site where people exchange views about dubai fishing .

I would suggest without doing this spit spatting lets do something constructive about fish conservation . Let us join hands and have voluenteers among us who go fishing . And let us suggest a cap on catching . May be 2 day . Which is good enough for the dinner table .

If any one over fishes and any of the forum member sees that lets educate this guy and try to convience him to our views of over fishing .

I dont knw how much of you will agree with my views . But that is the best way of doing it without some bossy comments .

I think if some one makes some mistakes it takes courage to admit it . Lets forget our egoes and come and join hands for doing something good .

Today me and omar went fishing at jumeriah . We caught around 8 odd fish and we released all of them because we had fish at home from the boat trip catch .

I saw some philipino anglers were suprised as they did not get much fish today . When they asked me why i am releasing i told them my views .

If i had used words like angler 13 i dont think it would hv been of any use towards fish conservation . Some of the philipino anglers did understand my views and specially with one ofthem who used to take so much fish he just took 2 with him , when i explained about that cap of 2 fish a day . I really felt nice about the whole incident .

I dont knw how many of you will agree with my views . And last but not the least I am sorry if i had hurt any ones sentiment by my views please dont take it to your heart .

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Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:13 pm:   

hi ,

todays fishing environment are as follows .

Most recent data
Parameter Value Date/Time Taken
Significant wave height Hs 0.33m 04/05/07 16:00:00
Peak wave period Tp 7.10s 04/05/07 16:00:00
Peak wave direction 311°N 04/05/07 16:00:00
Tidal Level 0.96m DMD 04/05/07 16:00:00
Our weather station is still out of service. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. In the meantime, Dubai wind and temperature data can be found here:

Current wind and temperature in Dubai

Tide times at Jumeirah Open Beach for next 24 hoursTide Time (Dubai time) Tidal Level (m DMD)
Low 09:44 Today 0.38
High 15:53 Today 1.33
Low 20:14 Today 0.96
High 02:54 Tomorrow 1.79


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Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 4:56 am:   

Dear Follow Anglers,
Practicing C&R doesn't mean that you release all the fish you catch, if you get something that you can eat in the right size you have all the right in the world to keep it and enjoy a fresh catch and I do that as well. But for some anglers it's a harvest process, take all regardless of size and that will have an effect on the balance of our environment. I release any undersized fish but I don’t expect everybody to do the same, it's a personal matter. We are called ANGLERS not killers. Angling is a complete cycle of locating fish, having to them bite, Land the fish as fast as possible and finally releasing it unharmed. If you lose one cycle, you lost the thrill of the sport. People, I am not against keeping fish but I took a walk in Dubai and I saw how people fish and what they keep!!!!!!!!!!.

Some say they’re poor, No problem with that at all, but you keep Joinville fish that can feed 5 men or more????????
Our natural resources are depleting fast, if the authorities are NOT taking any action to address it, we start with ourselves first and impose our own rules. This is how we spread the good practice of angling (fishing)

Experience the C&R with tagging, imagine the thrill of receiving a phone call telling that a 45LB fish you caught 2 years ago was caught with a tag holding you name on it and was informed it was released unharmed weighing 67LB and another tag attached to it's shoulder. That's my thrill. I don’t expect everybody to understand it, but for the people who do, it's PRICELESS.

Thanks and Good Luck
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Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 10:57 pm:   

HI Heber,

no need to get worked up cos of catch & release. A lot of people practise catch & release. I saw you release 2 of the barracuda that you caught (though not intentionally....lol)

anyway, catch & release is practised all over the world & that is for sports fishermen. As people like you, me & many others who take some / all of the fish home it is ok & no one can condemn you. We just have to be careful not to take juvenile fish or spawning fish home as it could adversely affect the ecosystem & deny our future generations any fishing prospects.

All the best with your catching & hope to see some more of you on the forum. Why deny others your opinion just because you didnt like someone else's opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion & you can surely have yours.
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Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 10:36 pm:   

Catch & Release:

Guys,
Personally I don't believe in 'Catch & Release' unless
• The fish is inedible
• It is on the restricted list of the Dubai Municipality
• It is a juvenile fish / too large for me to take home and belongs to the tribe of squid, crab, dangler…..
• There is no place in my fridge.

What if I release a fish and it lands up in the nearby fisherman's net and then in the fish market and I pay to take it home. Ridiculous isn't it?? I release him and someone else gets him…

And I ain't gonna release any fish just because some (d)angler and his likes feel so.

This is my last post / visit to the forum and I'll meet all my angling friends on the shoreline.

Cheers.
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PRANAB (Seaexplorer)
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Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 5:33 am:   

hi guys ,

Today morning was fine in jumeriah . I met a guy named kit who showd me how to unhook barracuda . i caught around 7 of them and released all of them . Kit got also around 7/8 and all were released . The sizes were all medium only couple of them are large .

Going on boat in the evening for fishing . Let you know tomorrow about it .

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Keyur Athaide (Keyur)
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 8:29 am:   

Hi Ziad,

if you read the earlier post, I have mentioned that I am going for a BBQ party on Ajman beach tonight. I've marinated the barracuda & sherri that I caught :o)

I'm not sure about tomorrow. If I go it will be to Maktoum bridge, but not early in the morning. I havent yet checked out the tides yet, so not decided.

On saturday, I will be going to Jumeira to catch Barracuda, but I will be releasing everything I catch. Just going to get a kick out of catching fish. If you are interested, do let me know. We could meet up. Heber too will be coming for barracuda on saturday.

ok ok ...just checked. High tide is at 14:13pm on friday....so maybe I will go @ noon. But not sure. lets see what time I get up in the morning :o)

You can give me a buzz on my mobile @ 050-4538208. What is your contact no ?
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Ziad Barhoum (Ziad)
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 5:58 am:   

Hi Keyur

Thanks for the link,,,,,, never expected something like this would happen but it is interesting to know that:-):-).

Any fishing plans for tonight?

Have a great fishing
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Keyur Athaide (Keyur)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   

another article with the pic of the fish

<http://www.cfnews13.com/news/local/2007/4/6/when_fish_attack.html>
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Keyur Athaide (Keyur)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 10:13 pm:   

Hi Ziad,


there is a site called <www.underwatertimes.com>

The link to this article is:
<http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=63491080217>

Enjoy reading :o)
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Ziad Barhoum (Ziad)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 8:59 pm:   

Hi Keyur

I am quite interested to know about this incident where A King Fish attacked a fisher man. Where couldi get this article.

Cheers
Ziad
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Keyur Athaide (Keyur)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 4:25 am:   

Hi Jam / Pranab,

the lures with lights are called 'bikini lures'

You can find details about it on:
http://www.bikinilures.com/web/index.php?id=17

Dont worry about getting any lures from there. Over here the price is @ 3GBP/lure. The only problem is that it is very difficult to find poppers here (used to catch GT's). But I have learned to manipulate a lure & use it as a popper (without damaging it).

Regarding the long nosed forceps, forceps arent strong enough, you will need to use a long nosed plier. I know you were joking, but jokes apart, Heber & myself both use them. Quite easily available here & cheap.

Dont worry about fish biting your B**T or any other part of your body.lol! As long as you are careful while handling the fish, you will not have a problem & I'm sure you already know that.

I have heard of a case (underwater times) where a kingfish actually jumped up into the boat (during a night fishing trip), knocked the fisherman over & then bit his hand & leg. Maybe sometime later I'll send you the link to this news article. It sounds hilarious & I'm sure its just one of a kind.

anyway, take care, have a good trip her & looking forward to meeting you.

If you need any help or assistance, please feel free to contact me.
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PRANAB (Seaexplorer)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 4:09 am:   

dear keyur ,

chua is fish pals . Yes he meets me a lot while fishing . he is my fishing buddy and a very helpful man . he is an expert rod builder .

regards
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Jam (Papageintaucher)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 2:38 am:   

Gday everyone

Many thanks for taking the time to reply and for all the information!

I think I will just bring the tackle I've been using to catch sea bass/pike with as from what I can see, this should be suitable for most inshore fishing. I've not seen any glow in the dark rapalas but will keep an eye out for them. The price of lures in the Uk is generally a lot dearer than most places though so it may be best to buy them in Dubai or from the US?

I do intend on doing some boat fishing but will leave this until October as I understand it is better then.

I was wondering if anyone could recommend any books on fishing in Dubai/Middle East? If nothing else, I would like to know which fish have the possibility of ending my earthly career! I've already packed my long nosed forceps for these baracuda which have a taste for human flesh!

Thanks again and bending rods to all!

Jamie

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