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harley boos (Saltydoc)
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 9:04 am:   

ALBACORE MORRO BAY!!!!

sHORT AND SWEET STORY. I left Morro at 6 AM with a scoop of sardines planning on exploring the CSM buoy and beyond. Lots of life and birds. We wound up about 10 miles shy of the north end of the Davidson with a very hard temp break from 64 to 70 degrees with a very abrupt color change. Deep purple on the cooler side of break.
We wound up with 20 albacore on jigs and bait in less than 2 hours. We had to leave them biting!!

They are there so go get them.
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Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 7:07 am:   

Stacey, I was on the Seeker Saturday. We were 30 mi north of the 1908 for much of the day. We also tried radio contact with no luck.
Bob
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Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 9:36 pm:   

I ran out of Monterey this AM down just north of the Davidson. 36.05-123.05. Had a hard time finding cool water anywhere, Mostly 64 to 68. I think were just 3 boats down there. One guy found a slick holding bait and put 6 in the box. It was short and sweet. The other boat got zero as far as I know. I was getting to like the ideal of not having to clean up tuna blood when I got home. On the way home at 3:45 I put one in the box maybe 15 lbs. 36.15-122.55
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Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 8:54 pm:   

Beautiful morning on the water south of Cambria. My son and I caught a load of reds on white jigs in about 100 feet of water. Were going to fish for halibut, but the huge sardines from Morro were really beat up, apparently by sea lions, and they almost all perished on the way up the coast. Tried a few drifts outside abalone farms and something heavy almost cut one of those big baits in half. Anyway, it was beautiful and we had a great fish fry.
Can't wait for the tuna..
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 8:46 pm:   

SST;

Absolutely unbelievable temperatures out there for the middle of june. Temps as high as 70 degrees and the donut at 65. Not since El Nino have we had temps like this. I think, and I hope I am right, this should drive the Tuna inside for cooler water and food. This should give us a shot at them without going 60-80 miles. There were some good counts today where they have been catching them out of Monterey.
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Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 7:38 pm:   

Bob,
were you on the seeker, I tried to call you guys numerous times.Near as I can tell I was in within 15 miles of you guys.
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Tim Mohawk (Tailchaser)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:38 pm:   

Dave- Lets be in MDR by 7am tomorrow. See you in the am.
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Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:38 pm:   

Bayside reports that yesterday a boater caught 10 albacore 45 mi west of the CSM Buoy near the Davidson Seamount deep into an area of 62 degree water. It shouldn't be long for one of us find them here. Some of the best water we saw yesterday between Morro Bay and the escarpment was inside closer to where we caught the bonita at 31 mi becuase there appeared to be more sea life and the color and temp were still ideal. Most of the bait we saw on the meter was krill I beleive as we saw whales pushing the krill to the surface to feed. By the way, handled properly, the bonita can make superb sushi as we enjoyed tonight. Also, when baiting up in Morro Bay, you might suggest that Doug fills your tank with smaller scoops of bait. In our case the net was filled to the top which seemed to scale the sardines. Otherwise, I do greatly appreciate the bait.
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Dave Pratt (My_three_sons)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 3:26 pm:   

Jim, are you coming down here tomorrow? I'm going to try and get out, but have a bunch of hali in the fridge. Mr. Mohawk is now a convert to bouncing...seeing a 20, a 24, and then the 35 come up in just under an hour pretty much sold him.
I'll look for you if I get out.
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Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 3:02 pm:   

Thanks for the SCOUTING job guys ,
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 1:45 pm:   

Just so you have an idea of what's out there - we went 40 miles out, just above the donut, and trolled for an hour in 61 deg blue water - saw no life or bait. Pulled the gear and ran to the bottom of the inside portion of the elbow and trolled up and out to the outer edge of the farthest point of the elbow and a coupls miles past in 62/63 deg blue water - no bait of sea life. Then tacked up to the upper end of the inside of the elbow and then made a straight line to mb trolling all the way into about 30 miles out, where we got a double on bonito in 62 deg still blue water. Trolled another 30 minutes and ran in. Water looked good, had great clear blue color, but not much bait or any birds of life out there.

Harley - on the Saly-doc is up at cape san martin and farther out looking today - so maybe we'll get another report from the other end.

Maybe we are a few days early - since Mike hit the lower end, I went straight out, and we'll see what Harley does up north. They seem to be catching everywhere above us !
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 1:43 pm:   

Fished PSL yesterday for one short butt, 1 legal ling and 15 short lings! Decent assortment of rock fish. Thanks Deke for getting us some bait that morning. Also just picked up a New Furuno 1715 radar. Got a deal I could not refuse! Want to mount it to my pilot house (alum) with a 24" mount by seaview. They have aft angled and forward angled. Is there a different between the aft and forward angled besides the asthetic obvious. Seems just like asthetic placement since the mounting plate is still parallel with the base in both models. Any advice? You can email if you like so as not to take up board space....thanks guys Chad.alphainc@gmail.com
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Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 1:01 pm:   

Here is another good laugh for everyone , trib today
SEATTLES INFAMOUS FLYING FISH TARGETED BY ANIMAL ADVOCATES
Dumb ass PETA at it again .
I am a PESCADarian, means I eat fish , no other meat or foul , milk , , but I WILL KILL , hunt and give to a good home anything I take,
What the hell is with them people , there protesting the fish being thrown around , THERE FRIGGIN DEAD , like all the peta freaks MINDS
Blackie
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hugh mccaffrey (Inspect7018)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 10:12 am:   

just read the MB business plan written in 08 by the consulting firm Lisa wise. in the report they show no need for repairs to the launching ramp. what they do state over and over is the need to attract vistors to the water front( in their defence, this does help the commerical fisherman sell direct to the public the limited amount of fish they are allowed). they explain this in their $975,000 board walk to the rock. as many have express, the limited amount of days on the water by boaters will not pay the cost to run the new fee system. the idea is to either run us cheap locals out of prime real estate or to have us pay for their beautifcation efforts. i have expressed this in my blogs of the how Santa Barbara used its funds on harbor parking not for boating inhancements but for copper sided toll booths and plam trees. The business plan does express parking on the waterfront for tourist and our willingness to park downtown will effect the plan greatly. as any tax, the funds should benifit the ones paying. this is not so here.
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Gary Moore (Waverunner)
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 8:52 am:   

Unfortunately, more and more people are living by the old saying "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission." In regards to the MB parking fees, this is again the case. Althought they followed the letter of the law, and I am sure their legal counsel is slapping themselves on their backs, it is not the intent of the law. While it is true some fees may be well advised, the process is again called into question. Will they charge people to pay the same fees for using the park? They use the restrooms probably more than the fisherman. Why not put a coin operated water system in at the fish cleaning area, similar to the boat wash out area? How much will be spent to administer the program (control gates, people to take money, tickets to be given out, etc) versus actual profit? To be successful, you must welcome people not shut them out.
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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 6:28 am:   

Eric, you need to be thick skinned when you screw the pooch like you did on this one. You knew damn well you could have informed us on this website. I could care less about the ten friggin dollars, but what I do hold dearly to my heart is gov't by the people and for the people. Our country is losing this left and right and commie is a good word associate with this fiaco.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 8:21 pm:   

Fished PSL today for 5 of those nice 'Butts and that Starry Flounder that Marty mentioned. Had to drag the dead bait since Deke's receiver took a nasty hit from those stinkin' Fur Bags and the Live wasn't available. Sorry Deke...that has to be frustrating as hell. Rockfish was a little slow for us today but we had a great mix in addition to all the 'butts.

Back at it Tuesday. Thanks to those that ran long in search of the LFT's.
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Cracka (Jim_g)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 7:23 pm:   

Thanks all who went and looked today....
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 6:33 pm:   

Evenin guys
Well I just pulled Mike Hagens (Oneida B) out of
the water. He left this morning on a 210 out of PSL 80 miles. Started fishing at 60 miles with 61 to 64 degree nice blue water. He went as far
south a Arguello cyn but no fish. Lotsa life birds, bait , whales etc. and beautiful weather. He said it looked real good but no luck.
Here, we launched 37 boats for 3/4 to full limits, 48 lings, 10 halibut, and 1 nice starry flounder. Homer and Harold will be here at 5:30 to get you guys in the water. I'm takin a day off.
Good fishin
Marty
(Sorry no report last nite Daughter's Graduation)
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 6:20 pm:   

Good news and bad news !

Got a good SST a little bit ago and there is plenty of warm clean water out there. I suspect we will get an even better pic later this evening. There is a good looking plume SW of Avila about 20 miles. I will post the numbers later after I see the next SST. The best looking water on this SST is just above the 1908/1978

Now for the bad news.
Today Seeker checked all the water on a line from MB to the area outside the elbow for two Bonita and no LFT. Water looked great. The numbers for the bonito 35:13 & 121:28
Tomorrow's forecast shows wind by noon but still might be worth a morning run to the 20 mile plume SW of Avila.

If I learn anything new before bedtime I will post it.
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Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 6:08 pm:   

i ran to 35-00, 121-22 which now has terrafin info. the water was clean and 61.2 degrees. no fish to report
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Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 5:49 pm:   

JIMMY
Thats a interesting piece of information , but you know the city will BURY that information , and DARBY is right on I WILL park the trailer and truck on the main street and there aint shit they can do as long as my licence and reg is current , and its not posted no trailer or truck parkinG , SO CITY get ready to buy and post a whole bunch of new signs ,
are all the liveaboards that park there as well as the comm guys that pay for slips going to be charged, TO MANY UNANSWERED ?
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 3:32 pm:   

The clouds in our tuna area have cleared out so we should get some good SST shots this afternoon/evening. May be to late for a good chlorophyll but maybe a partial.

Right now the forecast is not co-operating and will probably be windy in the afternoon. Monday is looking good again.

They picked up some more albacore today in that area above the Davidson.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 2:11 pm:   

Eric, did I hit a nerve? Just to be clear, getting raped is something that happens without consent - like MPA's. We would have just liked some input. I was not referring to the harbor department either who as I have said in the past is the best on the coast. You are community minded servants. That sets a tone for us all and that's invitig to our visitors. Like free parking is. It's the system which the city is apart of that charges ridiculous development fees and a bureaucratic process that costs even more. So perhaps I'm a bit sour about all that. The way of government is to charge more instead of cutting costs like the rest of us have to do. As for my lease that is up in a couple years you make it sound like it's free. We would have been gone along time ago under today’s terms. Since people can choose not to pay us, we simply cannot raise rates or cut costs that much.

But here's the real issue and what's going to happen. People will launch and park up the road where they can get picked up by the boat. That will block other waterfront businesses who will complain and rightfully so since they pay thousands in fees to the city for "parking". What then? More parking meters? All the way to the rock? Up the frontage streets? That will affect all the waterfront businesses and eventually all of the city. Don't think it's not like the mpa process. They started with five we all supported.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 1:52 pm:   

weather report from John--http://www.learningfundamentals.com/Flying/JohnLindsey.txt
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Robert Shaw (Big_bob)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 1:03 pm:   

I'm new, how do you get the Diablo weather report? The PG&E weather guy was on KVEC radio in the morning.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 12:42 pm:   

In regards to the launch area, I remember years ago that the properties behind the red fence owned all the way down to the waterline and that when the Tidlands park and launch areas were donated that it was stipulated by the property owners no fees would be charged to the public for launching. Has anyone heard this?


Bloody decks forever!!
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 10:55 am:   

Eric: Thank you for your comments. I realize the hard work the Harbor Office does for the boating community.

However, I stick by my position that it was a major gaff by the City in not seeking a complete airing of this issue by the people most affected by the change. It must have been anticipated that it would cause a real "storm" among boaters. So, why not get this all out in the open for comment BEFORE the decision was made?

I am not saying that there should be no fee for launching or parking. Moss Landing has a nicer facility and they charge only $5. You say the "people" were opposed to parking meters downtown ... Let me ask, why weren't the "people" consulted on this one ... the "people" most affected by the change?

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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 10:23 am:   

If you want to play you have to pay. There is no free lunch or in this case "launch". It's a small price considering everything else we buy like bait,fuel & Lic. Be happy they didn't do it ten years ago. Reddog out.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 9:45 am:   

I will be running tomorrow out of Monterey, launching at 3:30. I will be on channel 11 if anyone else is going. Headed down to the 36.00-123.00 area.
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 8:12 am:   

What I would like to know is WHO funded the ramp and the rest of the infastruture when it was built , was it public money , the city money .
They tried this shit on one of the ramps on lake Coeur D Alene last year and it was shot down ,BUT there was time for PUBLIC comment also.
OH well I guess we cant fight city hall , BUT we can sure take a DUMP on the front stairs.
Blackie
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 7:21 am:   

No Harrell....you won't have to wait with Barack, Nancy and crew...as fast as they are....you won't have a chance to bend over...and you can be sure it will be in the back...
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Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 6:08 am:   

ALBACORE

Good numbers reported up above SF as close as 22 miles. The fish that Mike reported were caught in the same area as the first fish (Davidson area). The long range boats out of San Diego are picking some up at about 130 miles

Out here no good recent shots. The temp did take a nose dive close in and at the San Martin buoy but there is still 60 degree water further out and a good break at the 1908. As soon as the sun comes out it should pop back up and we will get some clear shots.

Jim G: Downriggers for tuna. I have never tried it but we did use them for Marlin in Mex. Couldn't really call it trolling because they were just used to get the live bait down deep with a release when you hooked up instead of heavy sinkers. It would work that way here also but trolling at 7+ mph at 200 ft would require heavy gear and weight and would get in the way for a bait stop. What has worked here for deep fish is to stop on meter marks and put live bait down. Late in the season this is sometimes the only way to get bit.

Will be checking SST/Chlorophyll/Altimetry all day for any info that might help anyone going tomorrow.

P.S.

If you think $10 parking is steep just wait until Barack, Nancy and their crew get done with us !!
You might want to send them an e-mail.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 11:41 pm:   

OK...here goes a post I made last year and never got a responce....would have tried it myself but fire season kicked off and I spent the rest of the summer out in the field.

Has anyone tried this before? Using downriggers to troll big rapallas 100 to 200 feet down for albacore? I have read tons of post about people metering fish deep, but have yet to read a post about some one going that deep to actually target the fish. The reason I ask is because several years ago, I sold some Cannon Downriggers on EBAY to a guy in Hawaii. I asked him why he was buying downriggers and he said to target deep tuna. I figure that I am either posting a big secret or a big waste of time. I would love to get a responce from some of the Tuna Hounds.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:25 pm:   

lois capps sent a e-mail saying Morro bay is getting 5.2 million dollars to dredge the harbor.
FYI as part of the "stimulus package"
It needs the work but holy crap! seems like a awful lot of dough
Besides that it seems like that could be done in a less expensive manner.
I quess every one needs to make a living.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 9:16 pm:   

As for temp charts, the wind will roll over the surface water making it cooler on the surface. The water is still there it just cooler on the surface, as soon as the wind backs off the temp charts will return the way they were. So you have to go where it looked good a couple days ago while using the latest cloro shot to help. Don't forget to fish the areas where we used to before we had temp charts and hope for the best.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:59 pm:   

THATS what ITS about ROB , they will bend you over if you let them , and I guarantee you that DEVIL DOG or I will not hold you up getting out of the water.
ITS not about the MONEY its the way they did it.
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Kevin Piper (Sparks)
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:45 pm:   

The best area I am seeing looks to be up near the CSM bouy. The donut looks cooler. Check out Tempbreak.com

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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:35 pm:   

and will- when's the big ono bbq?
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:34 pm:   

Will,

I'll be out in the morning looking. I'll post in the evening.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:30 pm:   

will- i was thinking of looking tomorrow or sunday, but i don't know. the tembreak pics don't look all that great. and i wanted to head out to the donut. maybe the wind cooled off some of that warmer water that showed up a few days ago? do you or anybody else have some better terrafin info?


i occasionally launch out of ventura, i think its 10 or 12 bucks,or moss landing about the same, and was up at santa cruz this week for a few days. it was 12 bucks i think (i had it added in with some side tie costs on my invoice) and i am not surprised at all that we are going to have to pay to launch and park.do i like it? no! but i'm a 'half glass full' guy when it comes to this stuff. i look back on the 20 years i've used this ramp for free and fast forward for another 10 years and i think i might average 3-4 bucks per launch over thirty years? hardly anything to cry about.
the funny part about this huge city money making scheme is the parking lot is essentially empty for five months of the year. the rest of the time, if salmon season stays closed, i would average 10 cars in the lot per day. based on times i've gone fishing in the middle of the week. then, take off the days the wind blows, maybe thirty or forty days is not uncommon, morro bay will lose money just trying to enforce it. throw in the cost of the equipment and maintanence, earlier posts has it at 10-12k? they couldn't gross more than 20k in a fiscal year...pure and simple laughable! the other launches charge because they are great fishing areas and it's profitable to charge. i would think cutting city employee wages, govt officer salaries, benefits, and pensions. that's how you should balance a city budget. you could make a lot more than 20k.
what will suck is if you pull up to the dock and your made to wait a half hour for some guy that has to park his truck and trailer up in the business area because he thinks he's getting back at city government.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 7:43 pm:   

36'00/123'00 per BSM. 8 Albacore today in the 10-18 pound range by a private boat.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 6:35 pm:   

OK boys, I am torn on the issue. Ya, $10 a day... thats a burger. We are going to run 50 miles + for tuna $3.00 a gallon for fuel and 10 bucks is an issue? I plan on a $250 fuel bill. However, if some folks got a chance to speak and others were left in the dark thats an issue.Eric, is the ramp and lot area a state thing or city. If it is a city responsibility and some of the users do not live in the city why should they have a say? Lastly, due to my nature to be a tad bit rambunctious and that the fee is a done deal, I'm with Blackie I'm parking in the middle of the shop area and catch the boat at Virges.Big deal takes a few extra minutes but the shop owners are going to be screaming! Can you guys see 30 or more truck & trailer rigs taking up all the parking on a busy weekend?
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 5:50 pm:   

OK already! I leave for three weeks and everything changes. Let's talk tuna. The latest sst chart looks very promising near the CSM bouy and I am looking for input from you tuna thumpers. Sunday looks good for a trip out there; anybody else going? Bait available in Morro?
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 5:27 pm:   

Well guys
here the way to get there attention , when you get there early in the morning to go fishing just park your rig in town , take up the tourist space , as far as i know there is no LAW that says you can not park in town , when the businesses get hurt cause there is no parking , then maybe it will change .
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 5:23 pm:   

Eric,I know how it is in public service. Everybody is your boss, no one helps you plan, everyone is a back seat driver. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. What you see here now, is a bunch of folks that are always asked to pay. As you say, your one of them, and you don't like it either. You are likely correct that this is one of, if not the last, free place to launch. We realize that you probably aren't the one that Shoulda let us know about this situation before it was to late. We also realize that what we had to say at a public hearing probably Woulda not been heard anyway, we are used to it as fisherpersons by now. But if we had been in the loop , we coulda said it was all OK because we Woulda had a chance for buy in. OK , none of that got done, so some feathers are ruffled. No one thinks your a commie, they see an enjoyable part of their life, AGAIN ,being made harder to pursue by entities that make sure the change is out of their control. No one wants to sign on to that as "we just owe it to you" ( meaning the powers that be, not you personally).

Funding is critically limited for everything. The services you all provide are the best you can at present, we realize that. But I can remember many , many years ago, just having the ramp, and the parking lot. Worked for me that way.

OK I use the restroom 2 times a month when I fish. Put a coin gate on it, and keep it clean, I can sign on to that. I'll bring change when I drink too much coffee.

I wash down my boat at home. Up the fee to $10.00 for that, I'll sign on to it. I don't use it anyway.

I clean my fish at home and use the carcass for fertilizer on my fruit trees. Charge the people that use the table and the dumpster $10.00 a pop for that, you have a lot of effort to maintain that, everyone knows. I'll still do my thing with my heads and guts, and won't feel like I'm paying again for something I don't use, don't want.

I dump my porta-potti at home. Put a coin collector on that , and up the fee to $20.00 a pop. Thats a dirty buisness, and if you have to service the dang thing, you outta be well paid for it. I'd sign on to that. Wouldn't blame you a bit.

If someone wants to side tie at tideland park floating dock for more that 10 minutes(time for you to collect that potti fee) then charge em an arm and leg, go ahead, make some money off em. If I ever need to do that ,I'll pay.

But creating a parking fee for the boat lot from the launchers because you can, without flack at a council meeting, is a good way of saying it was the easy way you guys could make up for a plumetting budget. That you made real clear. "So just shoot me" is not quite covering it.

You make assumptions that all launchers are "all facility users". That isn't the case.

I think you do a great job servicing the public trust, but don't get upset because the public wants a say in the way you manage it. After all, it does belong to them, collectively, not you all at the city, who manage their trust. None of us ever get everything we want, but we deserve a chance at trying too, don't you think?

Yea, you guy's at the City (whoever you are) did slip it through, but just saying "so shoot us" isn't really a remedy for that, is it? Hope not.

So I have a couple of questions I think might be worth answering.

1) Are your crews gonna maintain sharply painted delineation for parking stalls now? Hope so if I have to pay to park, otherwise, I'll get by like I always have with the way past faded lines without glass beads.

2) Are you going to keep the rubber facing rails on the ramp docks in the great shape that they are right now, or are you going to let them get fragmented like they were last year? I still carry my own bumper fenders, just in case, I don't like leaving gel coat on nail heads either.are the cleats going to get replaced. One is missing again on the East side.

3)Are there current plans to patch that pothole on the east side thats always there, or not?

4)What reserves are in your current budget for a major surfacing repair of the PCC ramp structure. It isn't quite falling apart yet, but will eventually. Is your current fund for that on track at 50%, or 75%, or do you even have an existing fund building revenues for that purpose? Will you be uping fee's to make up for that kind of a shortfall soon, and keep pace.

5) Is the reason that you are calling it a parking fee so that you can raise it more than the yearly CPI acording to DBW standards?

Just a few things we could have asked, and pointed out, if we had been in the loop. No one wants to shoot you, we just want to have a say in the managment of "our public trust" as you all as city managers do. It's ours as well.

Thanks for your honest responses so far Eric, it isn't an easy job you have.

Kari
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 5:21 pm:   

Eric Endersby, will the harbor department be selling a yearly pass that we can stick in our truck window?
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 4:22 pm:   

Can anyone tell me about getting bait in Morro?I am thinking about trying the cm buoy sunday for tuna.I have not launched in Morro for A while.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 3:18 pm:   

Guys,
Heading out for flatties out of PSL tommorrow if Deke has bait. Missed the epic flattie bite two weeks ago. Have not had a flatty yet this season. Any suggestions for drifting (Pea Patch, Shell, S. of pismo pier?). Any advice much appreciated. Will be on 68....see you out there....thanks
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 3:02 pm:   

Eric ,it looks to me in the same meeting it was recommended ,open public coment included 2 people from the livaboard association objecting to raising their fees 400 % and saying it was ok by them if you charge the parking fee just so long as their rates arent raised much ,the public comment was then closed and unanimously approved 5 to 0 all in 1 meeting ,didnt pull all the stops ,i guess not ,typical govt ,its easier to approve something when no one is there to object it ,wouldnt it be easier to start off with a smaller fee then reasses it later ,or how about the honor system, rather than a 12k ticket giver , you could go around and match the stubs you collected and those that didnt pay get a 20$ parking ticket
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 1:54 pm:   

no, eric, i'm not fn kidding you....but don't put words in my mouth either...enforce the no wake law because it's the LAW....most private boaters do not understand that they are responsible for any damage they cause from thier wake in a no wake zone...
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 1:26 pm:   

Gang:

I love it, everybody is an expert. We're raping you Darby? How exactly is that, please explain. Your 1948 lease terms? We're "getting around" charging for launching by charging for parking Gene? Not quite, DBW does in fact allow for a fee to be charged to launch AND park provided it falls within their guidelines (max $13/day for starters, indexed to CPI) but forever we have opted not to. What happened to the "second ramp somewhere near the rock R Marti? It got shot down, several times, by you, the people. Start writing tickets for speeding in the no wake zone to make money Taurus? You've got to be kidding me!

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We're just trying to provide the best service, safety, and facilities that we can for the limited revenues at our disposal amidst a hailstorm of competing interests and priorities. Mel, your 5 numbered questions are the only ones that I feel deserve an answer, and it is this: no, we didn't. And it wasn't because of some sinister plot to slip one over on you all. Quite simply we missed it. So shoot us. To answer your other questions Mel, why isn't there parking meters downtown? Because like the 2nd launch ramp, you, the people, shoot it down every time. And c'mon Mel, aside from the MLPA, you have absolutely no idea how much time and effort Rick and I put in to fighting for recreational and commercial fishing access. You should know better than that.

At the risk of being labeled a communist, socialist, bastard, SOB, or lazy good for nothing government flunky, I offer the following:

While much of the launch ramp facility was paid for with State Dept. of Boating & Waterways funds, the ongoing maintenance, enforcement, etc. is not. While it isn't a budget-breaking amount of money and personnel time, it is substantial. As you know, user fees are often the most logical and accepted way to recoup the cost of providing a service - in this case a facility - and currently the folks that use the facility do not even come close to paying for what we put into it. Sure, we do get some revenues from ancillary activities when people come here and spend their money because they are here, among other things, to launch their boats and use them. However the Harbor Department is an "enterprise fund" that collects no sales tax or property tax revenues, only user fees from our boating facilities (primarily commercial fishing) and lease fees from our ground leases, which consist of only the businesses on the waterfront. That is IT. In that light it makes sense for the boaters to directly pay in larger part for one of the things we provide them - the launch ramp. And since the Dept. of Boating & Waterways is funded largely with boat gasoline tax revenues from fuel docks, how many of you actually use the fuel dock to fill up?

We are probably one of the very last public launch ramps in California on the coast of any magnitude that doesn't charge a thing for use of the facility. I may be wrong. While this is quaint, it is out of line with the reality of providing the facility and paying for it. As someone here pointed out, we also provide the fish cleaning station (free water, free carcass disposal), wash down (25c for 2 minutes of water is nothing), restrooms (they are used alot, hence they get dirty very quickly. Want them cleaned more often? $$$), and a free dock where you can pump out your poo (yes we could charge for that too, but don't) and use all the fresh water your heart desires for free. While part of the justification of the fee is to help our budget, a greater justification is the fact that the ramps use is being largely subsidized by our slip and mooring holders and ground lease holders, which isn't right. This is not to mention the emergency and other services that the vast majority of the launch ramp boaters get from the Harbor Patrol, also essentially for free and mostly subsidized by the same entities above.

Last, we do have some chronic free-parking abusers that we currently chase around and around. While enforcing paid parking does take time and manpower, chasing the abusers takes time and energy too, often to no avail in the long run with the current setup. Either we get accused of "selective enforcement" or accused of not doing anything about the squatters. Hmmm. Might as well make them pay for their use.

No doubt some will opt to not park in the lot, which will have some impact down the waterfront and up in the neighborhoods above. We'll just have to deal with it. The proposed fee for parking is pretty nominal, $1/hour $10/max per day. Will it create hate and discontent in the neighborhoods? I don't think so, not to any large degree anyway, and no more than what we experience already on really hot bites when everything in the lot and down the street is full and people do go up the hill. In fact, in the past we would direct them there under such conditions and it has never been a major problem.

As a frequent user of the ramp myself personally, I'm not thrilled about being charged to do so. However, being on the "other" side I realize that there is a legitimate need for it, nothing is free.

On a personal note, let's keep it professional and not resort to name calling and bashing of public officials. I've got pretty thick skin by now being a public servant, but it is uncalled for and won't get you anywhere.

On April 27th the City Council did approve a $1/hour, $10/max per day parking fee. Go to the City's website (www.morro-bay.ca.us) and click on the "agendas and minutes" link, then get the agenda and minutes for the April 27th meeting, it's all there in item "B-2." Like I admitted to Mel in the beginning, yeah maybe we didn't pull all the stops when it came to notification, our fault. But let's not go assuming the worst and jump on the "bash the public officials" band wagon. Let's all calm down and discuss it like informed adults.

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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 1:04 pm:   

way south of morro bay, better go out on a nice day or better yet go out of PSL then its just a few miles north of there.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 1:01 pm:   

If they want to nail us to park at the ramp, we should at least get a few perks in return. As in more parking spots, a larger cleaning station, no drive thru for tourist and trolley. Why don't they charge for parking at Morro rock? That would bring in more money. No let's just stick it to the fisherfolk they are used to it by now.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 1:00 pm:   

Just a quick question from a newbie. Where is the pea patch that people talk about is it north or south of morro bay? Thanks Blue
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:38 am:   

Friends:

My beef about the parking fee is that the City slipped this in without a real effort to get public comment. Let me ask:

1. Did Eric Endersby or Rick Algert post on this web site that this issue was on the agenda? They know this is a web site most boaters watch.
2. Did the City Post signs in the launch ramp parking lot to notify the people using the parking lot that this issue was on the agenda? If there was going to be a zoning change on a piece of property ... they always post notice of the intended change at the property site to give notice to neighbors.
3. Did the City contact the CCFCC (which they know is a local recreational fishing org.) to notify us about this agenda item?
4. Did the City notify the MB Commercial Fisherman's Org. that this issue was coming up?
5. Did the City notify Virg's that this issue was coming up since they have contact regularly with local boaters?

So, why doesn't MB having parking meters downtown to raise money. You know why .... because they don't want to offend tourists. But hurting the local fishing community doesn't seem to be that important.

Ms. Peters ... how could your council have been so negligent? Was anybody thinking down there?

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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:28 am:   

Anyone going out to check CSM bouy this weekend?
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 8:44 am:   

If you have a parking lot with 50' parking spaces designated "vehicles with trailers only" adjacent to the only launching "ramp" between Santa Barbara and Monterey", it's a launching fee, and we all know it. Municipalities are suffering for revenues, and dancing whatever jig they can to raise them. The fee will continue go up, and it won't be long before it starts. If they aren't building a second lot additionaly, and charging for that parking, it's a launch fee for the existing facility. If additional parking for the existing facility were needed, and this was financing "only that" by ordinance it would be different. The fact is, the ramp was always intended to be a free launch as stated before, and they have spent maintenence funding in other area's, or the ramp surface would be funded for repairs and they would already have been made, or planned.I'm writing to the coastal commission as Darby suggested. If they want to charge, I need to see them do something more for my money, not just use a new fee to pay for a budget they stretched to thin for some other reason. We didn't get a say in that either.
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Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 7:09 am:   

Deke, do you still have enough bait for tommorrow for everyone?

Marty, what time will you be at hoist and are there any tide issues.

Thanks
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 9:13 pm:   

heck.... if the harbor patrol would just start writing tickets to the private boaters that speed through the NO WAKE zone, they would make plenty of money to pay for damn near any upgrades they need...
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 8:11 pm:   

I just read the info that Harrell linked to about altimetry, it makes sense. read it if you hunt tuna: http://www.allcoast.com/plug/cleanwaterorgreenwater.cfm

I'll be out this saturday looking for albacore or bonito. I haven't decided where, morro or psl.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 7:17 pm:   

either way. what did we get for the money. they haven't added a parking lot on the beach front since i was the live bait boy in the early 70's.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 7:12 pm:   

i went to san marcos with pratts. your family? no the counsel members kids have the admin. jobs above the atendents where they get to spend the money. ps. look again at the roof system of those booths. they's copper or i pay the fuel on the next boat trip.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 6:55 pm:   

Hugh, i agree about the permit BS (Adventure Pass)....it's a pile of dung.
But, the folks manning the entrance kiosk, which ain't copper and certainly ain't air conditioned, are by and large local folks working for 8 bucks an hour. A few of them I know are working two low-paying jobs just to make their rent.
It's not glamorous and none are City Council offspring.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 5:40 pm:   

Santa Barbara started with an iron ranger with a lift gate to help pay repairs to the ramp and has progressed to a solid copper ( air conditioned ?) booth maned by some counsel persons kid. reminds me of the BS. wilderness permit to hike our national forest.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 3:37 pm:   

John Rowley will be doing reel repair again at Virg's.

I encourage everyone to contact coastal commission re parking fees. They sure haven't made a real effort for public comment if the people who use it the most had to find out about it here. Nobody here at Virg's knew anything about it. ike Gene said contact contact Mike Watson at mwatson@coastal.ca.gov and call him 1-831-427-4863. The Department of Boating and waterways funded the launch ramp with terms that the city could not charge for it's use. Tell him we see parking as a charge for launching and a violation of the law. There are ways around it for us who know but it sure is an unfriendly thing to do from a town who's largest industry is tourism. (since they shut down fishing and the power plant)

I have been seeing way too much of Mike Watson and the Coastal Commission. But glad to say that after four years, plans for new docks were approved yesterday! Now we get to be raped by the City for a few more years.
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 2:23 pm:   

Hey Tincan, You can take the sideplate off with the 2 screws, and reload it manually with a screw driver, then put it back together, and that should be good enough. Not uncommon for this to happen, and you should learn this. Takes all of 30 seconds.
PS I repair reels, and I won't charge you for the quick fix.
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R Marti (Rad_21)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 12:59 pm:   

I'm surprised Merchants association didn't sink this parking fee,since the BIBG
(beer,ice, bait,gas) retailers are going to take a hit with less people using the ramp. On days when you know the wind is coming and you only have a few hours to fish, you will have to pay to park all day. I personally will be picking my fishing days more carefully. On the good side, with less people more parking will be available so we can sleep in on low tide mornings.
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Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 12:08 pm:   

Hey Darby, while reading about the Coastal Commission (another gov. black hole for our tax dollars), have you stayed aware of the Air Resources board and the plans for your diesels in all your boats?? They are going to crucify us in the tree business with our chippers and GVW trucks over 15,000 pounds let alone any business who drives older diesels. Going to impossible to do business in this state very soon.
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Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 11:43 am:   

Late Report:
Fished PSL on Yesterday (Wednesday) with some beautiful weather. Wind never really kicked up past 20kt. We expected to get pushed off or at least inside by the usual 10:30 or so and it never happened. We pulled the plug at about 2:30.

We took a scoop of Deke's healthy, large, and lively dino's, hooked and landed 3 'Butts of which 2 were solid keepers, one right on the cusp so back it went, 4 good sized Lings and probably a dozen that were right at the 24" inch mark that went back.

Rockfish was surprisingly slow but we had a perfectly suitable amount of Bolina, Blues, Gophers, and a Copper and a Red thrown in for all onboard. The Reds were just not on the chew and that's really unusual for us with our "Secret Bait" ;-) though the Lings proved it's success as usual.

As for the Morro Bay parking boondoggle. Gene, in defense of those that were ignorant to the issue, including myself, Morro Bay's City Council Meetings are ONLY broadcast in Morro Bay proper. I'm in AG and can watch my City Government at work, which I often do, but I cannot watch Grover's, Morro's or anyone else's for that matter aside from County & State Government. I never saw diddly-squat about it in any of our local media either.

The $10 idea is a bunch of crap in my not so humble opinion. It used to be that Morro was a launch destination for me for a few reasons....it was FREE, we could launch at o'dark thirty in the morning, and it was an easy cross swell down and back to the Buchon area for the Rockfish making for a quick outting. Now, we have a stinkin' tight MPA Boundary to contend with at Buchon, Marty at PSL has things hoppin' at the launch at PSL and is there real early and very accommodating, and fuel costs are on the rise as per our seasonal Bend Over we get here locally when it comes to fuel costs. I'd consider a $5 dollar bill to use MB's lot but $10 is just BS when I account for fuel costs to tow this heavy Whaler up there when I can be on the water much more quickly here at PSL. So in short, the Morro Bay City Council can pound sand for all I care. My money will stay here in my locale.

As for commenting to the Coastal Commission now....now there's some deaf ears to work with! My guess is they'll promote and jump on ANY coastal access fee faster than Oprah would dive on a Baked Ham!
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Tim Mohawk (Tailchaser)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:53 am:   

Use Alan Tani for reel repair. He is one of the best!

alantani@yahoo.com
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Dave Pratt (My_three_sons)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:21 am:   

Oprah's not my neighbor....rest assured that while Santa Barbara has perhaps more than its fair share of affluent residents, most of us down here are scraping along doing the best we can on light wages and a heavy cost of living.
Ninety bucks a year plus six bucks each launch (and an additional six each 24 hours if you're at the islands) takes its toll on most of us.
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Dave (Antikbuff)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:07 am:   

If he has the 'parts'... Rick does a great job.
fishbizzzz@yahoo.com
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Gene Doughty (Landsea_interface)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:01 am:   

Hers's an update on the whole boat launch senario, The City council voted on charging a fee for parking, The use has been sent to the California Coastal Commission for approval. The cost for equiptment is around $10,000-12,000. The plan is to start charging next year. If you want to comment on this now, then the place is at the Coastal Commision. contact Mike Watson at ( mwatson@coastal.ca.gov ). 1-831-427-4863 There should be free access to the waters of California. by charging for parking is how they get around this. speak up or forever hold your tongue. gene p.s nobody spoke up until now.
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ray nanini (Oxidation)
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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 10:00 am:   

That sucks about Morro, but the situation at gaviota is even worse ! It costs 16.00 to launch, it cost me almost a grand to sling my boat, had to go to class all day, take another half day from work to get the boat approved and now they'er going to shut down the whole park ! Not to mention the reason I selected the boat I have is because I could pier launch it.

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