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Mel de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 11:15 am: | |
Fisherfriends:
No good news ... yet. But, things are not quite as bleak as they were last Wednesday when the PFMC voted to recommend closure of all rockfishing in California for the rest of the year.
The DFG has received the recommendation of the PFMC. Since the fishery in question is STATE-CONTROLLED, the state is the one that must enact the emergency closure. The BAD NEWS is that Fish & Game almost always follows any and every recommendation by the PFMC ... almost as if it were handed down by God! The GOOD NEWS is that the DFG has not acted yet on the federal recommendation. Here are some facts that are in the hopper:
1. Robert Hight resigned on Wednesday. I am sure that this Davis-Lackey would have immediately signed the emergency order if he had been in charge.
2. The new "acting director" does not know all the procedural "ropes" yet and has not acted. Sanke Mastrup is apparently more of a "friend" of the fisherman and his staff at DFG do not want to close down fishing (marine biologists from DFG were present at the San Diego PFMC hearings and spoke AGAINST THE CLOSURE!)
3. In the past, when DFG wanted to close down fishing for taking individual species, the Director alone has issued emergency orders, without the vote of the entire Fish and Game Commission. (For example, last month the Director signed an emergency order to close down all taking of cabezons, greenling, and California sheephead.) However, this proposed closure would close down all rockfish angling in the entire state. A COMPLETE CLOSURE is so significant that it should be considered by the entire Commission. The Commission does not meet until December 3-5 in Sacramento. It would be nice (even glorious) if the state put off this closure until the entire Commission could review the recommendation.
4. The proposed closure had very little notice to the public. We knew that the PFMC was talking about a closure because they claim we exceded the 541 metric ton quota for nearshore fishing in general ... but we never anticipated that they would focus on canary rockfish and lingcod as a basis for a closure at the San Diego meeting. We were all taken by surprise.
5. Yesterday, the CCFCC submitted a list of "objections" to the closure. We have suggested that it would be an abuse of discretion with devastating financial impact if the state follows this PFMC recommendation. Staff Attorney Joe Milton in Sacramento assures me that our list of objections will be considered by Sanke Mastrup.
6. The real problem here is that the state DFG has routinely done whatever was recommended by the feds. The Magnuson-Stevens Act (the main federal legislation about managing federal waters and federal fish species) says that the feds could preempt the whole area of making regulations IF THE STATE TAKES ACTION THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE CARRYING OUT OF THE FEDERAL MANAGEMENT PLAN. I have clearly indicated in our list of objections that the feds will NOT USE THIS PREEMPTION CLAUSE if the state refuses to go along with the closure, because the only evidence the feds have to justify the closure is MRFSS DATA. MRFSS means "Marine Recreational Fisheries Statistics Survey." This is the only data-collection agency that has data to support this closure. This federal data collection agency has a national web site. On the web site they have a "Mission Statement". At the bottom of the Mission Statement are these words in big bold type: "IT IS NOT OUR MISSION TO PROVIDE IN-SEASON QUOTA MONITORING". It will be hard for the federal government to preempt this area based on data that they admit themselves is not supposed to be used for in-season adjustments.
7. Both the feds and the state have issued documents in the past where they AGREE that MRFSS data collection is flawed and invalid. They admit that it should not be used for in-season quota monitoring. In 2000, Robert Hight issued a memo refusing to close down fishing for bocaccio because the estimates that we were exceding our OY for this species were based on MRFSS data. He indicated that this type of data is not reliable and should not be used for in-season adjustments. MRFSS data is the EXCLUSIVE DATA SOURCE that is being used by the PFMC to support this request for a closure. Next year California is not going to be using this invalid survey method. It seems unreasonable that the state should close the fishery based on this type of flawed data that was never intended to be used for this purpose.
8. I will be staying in touch with the DFG office next week and communicating with their attorneys. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they will USE THEIR BRAINS FOR A CHANGE and not accept this stupid recommendation by the feds.
9. The whole issue about exceding the OY quota on lingcod is very complex (and again based on flawed data and stupid logic). In this case, I am sure that we have exceded the OY set by the feds for 2003. However, the problem here is that the original OY was way too low. Lingcod are going through a population explosion and surpassing the OY for 2003 is just further evidence of the surprising health of this species. If anybody is interested in the whole story about lingcod, let me know.
I will keep you all posted on developments next week.
Mel. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Post Number: 63
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 7:14 am: | |
Evolution not Revolution
Good news!
We now have a new director of the DFG;
Sonke Mastrup who is a sportsman, diver, hunter etc. The position is temporary but hopefully will become permanent when Arnie takes over.
More good news !
Randy Fry (Recreational Fishing Alliance) has been appointed to a PFMC sub panel (Groundfish advisory panel).
If we just keep supporting the organizations like RFA, CCFCC, and The Coastside Fishing Club we can make it happen ! |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 7:53 pm: | |
Hope mel has some good news for us I have the Tribune in hand , and I fail to understand that if the lingcod are threatend why did the DFG lower the size limit from 26 to 24 , and as far as the canary they have been off limits anyway, last year no reds this year 10 reds, does the STATE OF CA have any idea of what there doing, Oh yea i almost forgot only two GOPHERS what a joke the DFG is, we are the laughing stock of the world , I feel sorry for Darby and Steve that have to rely on this agencys decisions to make a living. The NEW TIMES also has a article on the buy back of boats. Sick an Tired
Blackie/SR |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 2:27 pm: | |
I'm planning on leaving Morro Bay at 5:00am for the break 65mi west tomorrow. On the rock cod closure issue, CCFCC actions now in motion "may" have stopped the DFG from ordering the closure that was recommmened by PFMC. I'm sure Mel de la Motte will post here soon with an update. We owe Mel a big thank you for working non stop on our behalf. We are extreemly fortunate to be represented by him.
Bob Hather |
Dustin DesJardins (Farmerd)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 2:25 pm: | |
Well ..could not load the picture ..guess im computer illeterate ..... dissregard
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Dustin DesJardins (Farmerd)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 2:16 pm: | |
Well just testing this out .... With the rockcod closure upon us and next year uncertain .... Looks like I will be looking forward to some more days at the Islands pulling on some WSB and Yellas!
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Post Number: 62
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 11:59 am: | |
First Mate:
There are some good oganizations to join and here are three that I recommend for our area because they are politically active and have dedicated people doing great work;
CCFCC
RFA
Coastside fishing club.
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First-mate (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:17 am: | |
What can I do to help??? I am sportfisher who is sick of all the bullshit. I love to fish...,and wanna join the fight to keep my right to do it.
Kevin Richie |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 9:36 pm: | |
I'm considering an albacore run this weekend, Does anyone have any info? |
John Carvour (Agent_86)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 8:47 pm: | |
Nice break short of the donut! |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 5:05 pm: | |
Im so sick of all this bullshit im going back to WORK , if we cant fish .
What really amazes me is all the crap that the DFG has been putting out , I had a warden tell me face to face that we would be able to fish till march then two months closed and then open for 10 months , guess they got the shaft to, Hope the new GOV is more FISHY.
Blackie/SR |
Mel de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 2:50 pm: | |
Friends:
Received call from Darby Neil (Virg's Sportfishing). He was personally present during the discussions and votes at the PFMC meetings this week in San Diego. The Agenda item was #D-5 and the topic was "Status of Groundfish - In- Season Adjustments". Under this topic, it was pointed out that our OY quota for carnary rockfish was like 3 Metric Tons (I may be off on that figure). The MRFSS data collection agency reported that recreational fishermen have caught about 14 metric tons of canary rockfish. After public debate and discussion, the PFMC voted yesterday to close all rockfishing in California for the rest of the year.
PROCEDURALLY, this is how it flows after this. The PFMC faxes their findings and vote and recommendations to the CA Dept. of Fish and Game because technically the closure relates to state-waters. Robert Hight, who is a left-wing lackey of outgoing governor Gray Davis, will enact "emergency regulations" to close down all rockfishing in California for the rest of the year. [Robert Hight is the Director of the Department of Fish & Game ... at least until he is kicked out by Schwartzenegger] This cannot go into effect until 10 days after he issues the "emergency regulations". Like I said earlier, I would guess that the actual closure date will be sometime between November 15-20.
No, the PFMC web site will not list this activity until sometime next week after the current meeting in San Diego are completed.
WHAT CAN WE DO???????????????????
I am preparing now a list of written objections that will be delivered to Robert Hight [Who is the actual person who will legally enact the emergency closure]. I will be listing procedural errors in the enactment of the closure, attacking the flawed data-collection procedures of the MRFSS and explaining why the last minute closure will be financially destructive to many people in the state with loss of jobs and possible bankruptcies of fishing landings. I will also attach a copy of a memo by Robert Hight himself that says that MRFSS data should never be used for in-season adjustments because it is unreliable data. We will send copies of this list of objections to the governor-elect, governor Davis, PFMC and other people involved in the process. I think that Hight will recognize that this last-minute closure based on flawed data should not be enacted ... in spite of the federal PFMC "RECOMMENDATION". However, it is likely that he will respond to the cries of the left-wing extremists and close down rockfishing for the rest of the year. We will then have to decide if we want to jump into state or federal court to seek a preliminary injunction to stop the closure.
I will keep you posted.
Mel.
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Mike (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 9:20 am: | |
Hey not to change the subject but there is a nice break out about 60 miles. Anybody else see this? |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 8:49 am: | |
Am I Wrong?
The MRFFS has cute little gal conducting the fish surveys at the Morro Bay ramp. She begins with hi can I ask you a few questions about your fish, where did you catch em? can I measure em, how many did you get? Can I have your address? Phone number? How many times did you go fishing this year?
I have to tell you I think it is by design they have this cute little gal asking the questions. I hear some guys say I go out every other day and get full limits each time(yea right).
I've gotten to the point where I just don't answer the questions, and the gal won't bother asking me the questions.
Isn't this the same folks that are trying to shut down rockcod next month? Am I wrong in not providing this information? If I am well hell I'll give it.
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Blackie Jr (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 8:15 am: | |
I'm not suprised to hear the DFG is bending the sport fishers over again. I wonder if they are going to refund my license for the first six months of the year when fishing was closed and now the next month and a half. Are they still letting the bottom trawlers continue to fish, and what about the live fish boats. I feel sorry for the guys who own the party boats. It must be getting more difficult to survive. Is there a possibilty that the person who stands at the dock and counts and measures fish when the boaters come in is the source of the data. I have always cooperated with this process and was under the impression that they were working with DFG to gather data on the catch. If this is the data that they are using the screw us, than I will no longer let them see my catch. They can send a warden down to look at my fish if they want to see them. These closures are getting old. I wonder what is in store for next year. Will they keep us off the water again for the first six months. Thanks to Mel and Harrell and the rest of the crew that keep us up to date and are fighting to keep the fishing open. It sounds like it is time for another lawsuit. |
gilligan (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 7:09 am: | |
I've been following your posts and have tried to find verification of what your saying on other sites, I can't. Where is the verification that this is happening, PFMC, RFA sites don't mention it. Can you give some cold hard facts as to the meeting and the happenings. Thank you |
Melvin de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Friends:
Harrell Kimball is correct. Those that posted information taken off the DFG web site are looking at "old news" from earlier this week. The feds set the "OY" and also collect the data called "MRFSS Data". It is unreliable according to every expert or agency that has evaluated this data collection system. However, they continue to use this flawed data with the lame excuse that it is "the best available data."
Harell is correct that the feds will pass on this emergency closure information to the DFG and the state will close all rockfishing within 10 days thereafter. Therefore my prediction in my last posting here of a November 15 closure was pretty accurate. Every time we show a flaw in their evidence or data, they turn to some other subject as a basis to close down fishing. Their "posterchild" endangered species of the moment is the canary rockfish. Our group will be talking about a lawsuit to stop this closure. We will consult with some other statewide groups. We would have to directly attack the data collection process. These telephone surveys to sportfishermen are not reliable.
I will keep you posted.
Mel. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 8:51 pm: | |
Report from Sand Diego :
The PFMC (feds) voted to close rockfishing in California for the rest of the year !!!!
Have not heard any details but I think it takes ten days to implement.
If you want freezer fish you better get busy !
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 2:08 pm: | |
The way I understand it; that if the feds decide on a closure, which is not a given at this point, there is a 48 hour notice to the state and the state then has to give ten days notice before impementing any closure. That is where the estimate of Dec 20th came from. If the state decides to close it per the Calif regs and not at the feds direction then that would probably happen at the F&G meeting in December which is highly unlikely because the year would be almost over.
My guess would be that there won't be any closure this year but won't bet the farm on it! Hopefully next year the data that they use to make these decision will be good data rather then the bad data they now use. |
Anonymous
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 1:40 pm: | |
Also, There is no complete closure for the west coast proposed. Read the proposal from the link on the last post. Let's make sure the facts support our arguments so that people don't get worked up over nothing. |
Guest (Unregistered Guest)
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Check your facts. The meetings for this week are cancelled. http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/news03/com03003.html
There has been a proposal http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fg_comm/2003/27_60ntc.pdf
and it will be discussed in December. Call the DFG.
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Pissed (Unregistered Guest)
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F*** the FEDS. And Fish and Game too
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Pissed (Unregistered Guest)
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F*** the FEDS.
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 8:37 am: | |
Rockfish closure!
Here is the situation as I see it from reading some of the reports out of San Diego. As of right now there is no announced closure. The feds will be the first to announce a closure and the state will follow in 10 days. Best guess is about the 20th of Nov if indeed there is to be a closure. The feds are using bad data to effect a closure. One of the rockfish that has exceeded the allowable catch is the "canary" that can only be caught near Pt. Mendocino and north with a one fish limit. Figure that one out !
The good guys (us) are trying to convince the PFMC (feds) to use better data on which to base their decisions. There are meetings in San Diego today to present our case. WE WILL SEE ! |
Tim Mohawk (Tailchaser)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 9:18 pm: | |
How can you say its closed Rick as of 11/6 when the closure for the 15th has not even been approved yet. Where are you getting your info? Pulling it from somewhere????? More details please........ |
RICK (Unregistered Guest)
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ROCKCOD IS CLOSED NOV 6 2003 YES TOMOROW IS YOUR LAST DAY TO FISH THIS YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NO BULLSHIT |
Melvin de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Friends:
BAD NEWS!
Darby Neil is down in San Diego at the Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) meeting. This is the federal agency that administers and adopts fishing regulations in federal waters and enforces the Magnuson-Stevens Act and the Sustainable Fisheries Act. I just got off the phone with him. He says the news is really bad.
The focus has shifted from California surpassing its "OY" (total tonnage quota for recreational fishing in 2003 ... which was the hot topic during October) ... over to a different subject. We only had an "OY" for CANARY ROCKFISH of 3 metric tons. We have supposedly caught 14 metric tons. They are planning to close all rockfishing in California by November 15th.
WE HAVE BEEN BEGGING THE STATE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW THAT COMPELS THEM TO DO STOCK ASSESSMENTS OF ALL NEARSHORE ROCKFISH and we have been begging the PFMC to do an assessment of canary rockfish.
These idiots at DFG and PFMC spend all their time talking and haggling about regulations and limiting recreational fishing and trying to count how many fish we have caught ... AND SPEND NO TIME DOING REQUIRED FISH STOCK ASSESSMENTS. So, we get saddled with these outrageously low OY levels. The OY levels are pure guess-work because the state and feds refuse to do their homework and surveys to determine a true level of fish stock.
The same thing was true of bocaccio. They closed down the entire west coast based on a claim that their were no bocaccio out there. In spite of the fact that a long line of fishermen testified that this assessment was not true ... they went ahead and closed down all fishing outside of 20 fathoms back in 2002. Because fisherman complained so bitterly, the PFMC ordered that a new stock assessment be done on bocaccio. They went out and did a new assessment and found that their earlier data was completely wrong. They found many, many, many more bocaccio than they first believed. They had made a huge mistake! Dr. Alec McCall, who was the scientist who did both assessments of bocaccio, told me personally that he felt horrible about the closure in 2002. HE PUBLICLY ASKED THE PFMC TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY OPENING OF DEEPER WATER BECAUSE OF THE MISTAKE. He asked that they reopen the deeper waters to recreational fishing on July 1, 2003. WHAT DID THE PFMC DO WHEN THEIR TOP SCIENTIST RECOMMENDED THIS EMERGENCY REOPENING?
Nothing!!!! They did not want to look studpid. So, they changed the entire focus justifying the closure of deep waters to the canary rockfish. The new "posterchild" for the left wing extremists is the canary rockfish (they don't even talk about bocaccio any more ... even though it was the reason deeper waters were closed).
Left wing extremists have infiltrated every federal and state agency that regulates fishing on the west coast. We need a complete sweep by Schwartzenegger getting a whole new team running our DFG. We have less impact on the PFMC. I really don't think that President Bush knows the depth of the conspiracy in the U.S. to curtail recreational fishing on both the east and west coast.
WELL, ENOUGH COMPLAINING. I think I will go out fishing ... since it may be our last opportunity this year.
Mel. |
DEN (Unregistered Guest)
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THEY ARE STILL CATCHING ALBIES IN SAN DIEGO, OUR WATER TEMP. IS STILL OK, HARRELL DO YOU THINK IT MAY STILL HAPPEN? |
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not next year either/
Mr. LF |
pop3 (Unregistered Guest)
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NO WAY !!! |
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 1:15 pm: | |
Read the post about a terrible year this year for tuna. Well, yes one could say that but it seems to me we had about 10 years of no tuna in the 80s so this year hopefully is just that. Then maybe for those who beleive in such things, like bananas on a fishing boat, the idea of all the chatter on this site a few months back about slaughtering the fish ,,you remember..Well, thinking of all catchin' and braggin' you have done in the past, keep it under you hat next year and mayby the fish will give us another chance OK.. |
Melvin de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Friends:
Thanks DARBY for giving me the info about DFG cancelling the San Diego meeting. I was on the verge of making my lodging reservations when I got the news. I guess the cancellation only came this morning.
Let me elaborate a little bit on the outrageous and unconcionable conduct of DFG in their work on the 2004 regulations.
They want everyone to think they are "friends" of recreational fishermen, but are really stabbing you in the back. They sent their representatives to the September meeting of the Federal regulatory council (the Pacific Fishery Management Council) with marching-orders to request the PFMC to approve an outrageously low "OY". OY stands for "optimum yield"; it is the total tonnage amount or total yearly quota allowed to both commercial and recreational fishing. Also remember that the PFMC RUBBERSTAMPS whatever OY level is recommended by the CA DFG. By getting the feds to approve an outrageously low OY level, the DFG assures that they will be able to close down rockfishing early next year.
Until we get friends of recreational fishermen on the Fish & Game Commission and get a decent Director of the F&G Department,we will be fighting these yahoos on a regular basis. Many of us are attempting to get Abel Maldonado informed about the crisis problems at DFG so that he can pass on this information to our new Governor who is supposedly more "friendly" toward recreational fishermen.
Keep the faith ... and keep fighting for your fishing rights. Never give up!
Mel. |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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Votes: 12 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 10:05 am: | |
The California Fish and Game Commission meeting scheduled for this Thursday and Friday in San Diego has been canceled. Apparently they heard Mel was coming to get some things straitened out and got scared. They said something about fires too. ;) Next meeting is December 3-5 in Sacramento.
I think this is a good thing. They cannot approve an emergency closure if they do not meet.
Found some albacore yesterday but nothing that got me too excited. 70 miles at 35 24 and 122 19. 14 fish for 8 guys, all sizes, troll and baitfish. Just a small area of fish with small schools of probably 3-8 fishes each. At least that is all that came to the boat. That¡¦s very typical end of the year stuff. It was COLD! Good looking, 61 deg water though. Saw some marks at 30 ¡V 40 miles coming and going that looked really good too but did not fish it. (It didn¡¦t look that good) 35 25 and 121 35. By the marks I saw, probably bluefin/albacore mix.
Found a great website on the habits & biology of albacore that is a must-read for anyone who fishes the LF. Check it out http://swfsc.nmfs.noaa.gov/frd/HMS/Large%20Pelagics/Albacore/albie01.h tm See the Biology & Ecology links.
Darby
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Melvin de la Motte (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 9:23 pm: | |
Friends:
I know it has been a long time since I posted here. I have had monumental problems with my computer. Everything is fixed now. I want to make some comments about the upcoming Fish & Game Commission meetings this week in San Diego.
On Thurday there will be some talk about rockfishing and some "open-forum" discussion, but nothing crucial. FRIDAY is the big day. I know that everyone is "pleased" with the reported new regulations. I AM NOT! Let me explain.
Yes, we are suppose to get rockfishing for 10 months. We are suppose to be able to fish out to 30 fathoms for 6 months and out to 20 fathoms for 4 months. We get the same 10-fish sack limit (plus 2 ling cod). Sounds good right .... WRONG!
Here is the devious catch to the whole scheme. We had a total "OY" (total tonnage catch limit) this year of 541 metric tons. Supposedly, we have already passed our OY and the PFMC and Fish & Game are now talking about closing down all rockfishing for the rest of the year. (I know that sounds unbelievable, but it is true!)
In 2004, they are supposed to let us have 10 months fishing. HOWEVER, THEY ARE GIVING US THE SAME TOTAL TONNAGE LIMITATION (541 Metric Tons) which we supposedly surpassed this year in two months. This means that it is likely that they will close us down right during the peak time of the summer. F&G acts like they are so gracious, but stabbed us in the back by recommending the same low OY for 2004. This outrageously low OY was the original brainchild of Tom Barnes who works for F&G. He admits that it is HALF OF THE AVERAGE ANNUAL RECREATIONAL TONNAGE CATCH between 1994-1998 (when we could fish in deep waters), but since the F&G failed to follow the law which requires them to do surveys to determine the health and abundance of nearshore rockfish species, F&G admits they have no data ... so they were "precautionary" and cut the OY in half for 2003 (after all, our season was cut in half). We are going to be saddled with that same low OY again in 2004. If you can make it to San Diego, speak to the issue of the outrageously low OY for recreational fishing.
The state will say: "It's not our call." They will say that the feds are responsible for setting the OY. That is technically true ... accept the OY was suggested by the CA. F&G. The feds just rubberstamped their recommendation. I can assure you that if the F&G fails to change the OY level for 2004, our CCFCC group will be considering another lawsuit to be filed right at the first of the year.
Mel. |
pierre blahnik (Pistolero)
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Boy, what a lousy year for Albacore we had.
It seemed like every time the currents were looking good, the weather was bad, and when the weather was good, the currents were all wrong.
Can anyone remember a worse year for the Central Coast in the past 7 years?
All I can say is, the fish Gods owe us for next year. Santa Cruz/Monterey got all our fish this year.
And yeah, I think it's definitely over. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Follow up on gaffing:
Thought I better re-check the regs to see if I spoke too soon!
To use a speargun you need to be in the water, swimming or floating.
When it comes to gaffing a fish the regs are pretty vague.
Gaff defined: "a gaff hook is any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing or to take fish is such a manner the the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth."
This section of the regs also says: "No gaff hook shall be used to take or assist in landing any fish shorter than the legal size limit"
Both statements say "take" which would imply it is ok to gaff a fish that is not hooked.
But, the opening line of 28.65 states: "Except as provided in this article, fin fish may be taken only on hook and line or by hand."
F&G or Mel need to clearify this one ! |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Bob:
When I was diving we used to "freespear" them all the time. I far as the regs go you can gaff any fish that is legal size and legal to take, but you better be sure it is, except for a few like sturgeon...
Albacore; before the wind came back up there was a very good albacore bite about 40 miles out of Santa Cruz/Monterey. Some boats had a count of 20+ and 20-30 lbs. |
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Nanci B I could be wrong but I believe it it illegal to Freegaff a lingcod like that. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Bob |
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I fished on a the Reel Special off Miguel out of SB yesterday for 1 LFT at 27 lbs. on a purple lead head clone in blue 64.5 water a few miles S/W of the numbers from monday. We saw other fish break in our chum line but no takers. On the way in fished Talcot Shoals for wide open Rock Fish / Ling action mixed with Calicos in 60 ft. Witnessed a 28" Ling mauling a 3lb Chuckelhead at the side of the boat resulting in a freegaff. |
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Virges won't be fishing for the long fins for a couple of days. "very frustrating" is how they desribed the day on the water with fish everywhere and virtually no takers! I have sure been there! I have also seen the same location GO OFF a couple days later.
Sunday looks fishable.....anyone agree? |
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I went looking for albacore today. Started at 55mi on a 245 heading from Morro Bay. We caught one 28 lb albacore on the great sardines available now by stopping on a meter mark 125 feet down. Princess was in the same area and they caught a 40 and 50 pound bluefin on zuchinni jigs. There were lots of jumpers, some were bluefin to 80 pounds. We trolled for eight hours within a 15 mi square area but the fish wouldn't bite. There wasn't much of a temp break out there. There is tons of sea life out there, bait balls, whales, sealions, porpose and birds and tuna.
Bob |
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For Sale: New Mercury 50 Horse outboard. Never in Salt water. Less than 25 hours. Over $6000.00 new. Have to pay for the new boat, will sell for $3500.00. Email me at mj@rajunkennels.com to come see it and try it out. Marty |
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The right kind
Thanks for the info. Are you planning a trip?
If the the weather permits, were going for it this weekend. We will launch from Gaviota and be monitoring ch68.
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Mike on a 25' davis called Good Fishma got 'em.
Closer to SB than Avila, 34*01/120*34 |
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OK who got the albaocre yesterday !!! I shot out to Point Argullo and trolled all possible ways Inlland and Outland toward the donut. The water was 61 up to 65 bait everywhere but no fish. COuld not find blue water all green. IS there confimed albacore being cought? |
The_right_kind (The_right_kind)
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I just talked to the guy that got the albies off of Richardson's Rock. He did a 2 day trip and looked over the water off of Arguello for nothing,went to the donut, 1908, and arguello canyon for nothing. On his way into Miguel to do some bottom fishing he found clear blue water and lots of longfin. He said he was 8 miles off Miguel.I'll get the #'s later. |
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Went out on my friends 25' Farallon on Sunday looking for the long fin. Launched out of Port San Luis on a 180 deg heading for 30 miles watertemp was 63 to 64 deg.Their was lota bait marks but no takers.We worked the temp breaks also. Then we moved in shore and did some rock fishing went home with a nice bag of fish. The weather was great |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Nice post Bob, I would be interested in attending another ccfcc fundraiser. Is there one scheduled? If so, please post the when & where.
Thanks for your efforts..... Stacey |
Joe Perry (Joe_p)
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I heard a report of albies being caught out by Richardson rock today (sunday). Also of some being caught around 8 miles west of point Arguello. Does anybody Know details? |
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Read Darby Neil's post below. Efforts are being pursued by DFG to shut down bottom fishing in November based on very questionable data. The Central Coast Fisheries Conservation Coalition (CCFCC) has been very involved working towards collection of better data and fighting unwarranted closures. Below is a summary of just a few of CCFCC’s accomplishments.
1. Began a collaborative research study of local ground fish using Cal Poly’s biology department and previously collected DFG data from 1988-1998 as a base line. Funds for the study were contributed by CCFCC ($4000) World Wildlife Fund ($5000) Steelhead Recovery ($2000) Port San Luis Harbor Dist ($1000). After three months of collecting and comparing data, the fishery looks to be healthy.
2. CCFCC filed a lawsuit against the DFG for this year’s ground fish closure and is currently in appeal.
3. Board members of CCFCC have attended and testified at Pacific Fisheries Management Council meetings where federal regulations are made.
4. Board members have attended DFG hearings.
5. CCFCC has lobbied local, state, and federal lawmakers regarding fishing regulations.
6. Members of CCFCC’s board sit on the 18 member Marine Interest Group panel studying recommendations for a National Marine Sanctuary.
7. CCFCC held three fund raising dinner events which raised over $50,000. CCFCC still retains the majority of those funds.
8. CCFCC called a meeting in San Luis of all the presidents of all the sport fishing associations in California so we could leverage and coordinate our fight against unreasonable fishing regulations.
9. CCFCC has established a web site to aid in its efforts. “RIGHTTOFISH.COM”
CCFCC has a lot more work to do. None of these accomplishments could have been achieved without the tireless leadership of Mel de la Motte Jr. Thanks Mel, and keep up the great work.
Bob Hather
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Went out 15-18 miles out of Morro Bay and foundlots of warm water - 61 degrees. Lots of big bait balls, a few sharks and whales and lots of green water. Drug the feathers but nothing popped up. Great ocean but no fish. |
The_right_kind (The_right_kind)
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A good shot on the sst's.
Has anyone looked about 12-15 miles off the beach lately?
The time could be right this weekend!
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Darby Neil (Darby)
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Hey, sorry about the double tap earlier. If anyone is going to be fishing off Cambria this w/e you may want to swing outside for a look. John Rowley just came through there with the Admiral returning from a long range rockcod trip. He called in clean, 62.5-degree water, birds working bait balls, porpoise, Dall’s porpoise and fish marks! That was in 110 fathoms off of Cambria. My Sea view picture from this afternoon verifies the temp. Terrafin should have a good post this evening. It may be worth a try if you’re there with some bait anyway. |
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Heard we lost a warden to budget cuts. Boo Hoo! |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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F&G are up to their old tricks again. I am getting buried with calls so here is what I know. The F&G are threatening to shut down the entire rockcod fishery November 15th. The department is using federal fish counting data to say that we caught about 21/2 times the entire fish caught last year in the first two months of fishing this year. Furthermore they are claiming it was the private skiffs that caught most of the fish. How do they know this? Random phone calls to Californians at large. I know, don’t tell me this is ridiculous! I don’t need to hear it. You and I and any other idiot know this is unbelievable. (What is even more unbelievable is that we elect people to tell us this.)
Obviously, it is and has been the agenda of the Fish and game department at the highest levels to shut down the recreational fisheries rather than manage them. Hopefully the change of tide in Sacramento will suck the garbage out to sea.
There are two other problems here. Problems these people have allowed and maybe even created and endorsed. The highest possible catch estimate data is being used with the lowest possible fish stock estimate. Clearly the fish counting by random phone calls done by MRFFS is garbage. The State needs to have our own catch records and stock assessments so we can actually manage our fisheries for the future. (Keep in mind the state has never actually assessed even one species of rockfish as mandated by the marine life protection act passed in 1999.) Second the quota or optimum yield (oy = that amount that can be taken out of a sustainable resource and keep it healthy) was based on the very lowest historical catch estimates and then cut in half “to be conservative”. They did not even consider that historical catch rates were not depleting the fishery to begin with!! Certainly not with two hooks and a ten fish limit! A friend of ours said last night, “That would be like saying we were going to deplete the mosquito population with a fly swatter.” Yeah, at ten bugs a day?
So what can we do? I think we can stop them from abusing our right to fish again if we act now. I think I can assure you there will be lawsuits from the various fishing coalitions. At the very least we will make them pay for it. Besides supporting your fishing organizations we need to write letters to Schwarzenegger and Maldenado asking them to simply appoint people to look into the this scandal and find the truth. (Hard copy works best; e-mail is too easy to delete.) It is needlessly costing this state millions & possibly billions of dollars every year. Our goal is to keep our ocean fisheries healthy by managing the resources for the use and enjoyment of everyone.
Write to:
Abel Maldenado
State Capitol, Rm. 4015
Sacramento, CA 95814
805-549-3381
Governor Elect ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA 95814
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Darby Neil (Darby)
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F&G are up to their old tricks again. I am getting buried with calls so here is what I know. The F&G are threatening to shut down the entire rockcod fishery November 15th. The department is using federal fish counting data to say that we caught about 21/2 times the entire fish caught last year in the first two months of fishing this year. Furthermore they are claiming it was the private skiffs that caught most of the fish. How do they know this? Random phone calls to Californians at large. I know, don’t tell me this is ridiculous! I don’t need to hear it. You and I and any other idiot know this is unbelievable. (What is even more unbelievable is that we elect people to tell us this.)
Obviously, it is and has been the agenda of the Fish and game department at the highest levels to shut down the recreational fisheries rather than manage them. Hopefully the change of tide in Sacramento will suck the garbage out to sea.
There are two other problems here. Problems these people have allowed and maybe even created and endorsed. The highest possible catch estimate data is being used with the lowest possible fish stock estimate. Clearly the fish counting by random phone calls done by MRFFS is garbage. The State needs to have our own catch records and stock assessments so we can actually manage our fisheries for the future. (Keep in mind the state has never actually assessed even one species of rockfish as mandated by the marine life protection act passed in 1999.) Second the quota or optimum yield (oy = that amount that can be taken out of a sustainable resource and keep it healthy) was based on the very lowest historical catch estimates and then cut in half “to be conservative”. They did not even consider that historical catch rates were not depleting the fishery to begin with!! Certainly not with two hooks and a ten fish limit! A friend of ours said last night, “That would be like saying we were going to deplete the mosquito population with a fly swatter.” Yeah, at ten bugs a day?
So what can we do? I think we can stop them from abusing our right to fish again if we act now. I think I can assure you there will be lawsuits from the various fishing coalitions. At the very least we will make them pay for it. Besides supporting your fishing organizations we need to write letters to Schwarzenegger and Maldenado asking them to simply appoint people to look into the this scandal and find the truth. (Hard copy works best; e-mail is too easy to delete.) It is needlessly costing this state millions & possibly billions of dollars every year. Our goal is to keep our ocean fisheries healthy by managing the resources for the use and enjoyment of everyone.
Write to:
Abel Maldenado
State Capitol, Rm. 4015
Sacramento, CA 95814
805-549-3381
Governor Elect ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA 95814
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Both NOAA and the computer models forecast good weather for the weekend. Have not seen a good current SST for our area but Monterey has some good looking water about 40 miles west of Monterey. They have been catching albacore up there when they could get out that far. I have a report from a boat that went From Morro Bay south to Ventura yesterday and they said the water in our area is green and not very promising. |
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Not sure what you mean looks like a beautiful weekend for fishing according to what I'm seeing. Offshore conditions developing Friday making it nice for Satruday/Sunday. |
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Weather looks like S--- for the rest of this week, maybe stay on the inside and catch those bottom dwellers, Looks like we can fish till Feb unless Arnold makes a change.
Good luck and be SAFE
Blackie /Sr
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chovies that are big enough to put a hook in is a good start for bait. looks like bottom fish is all thats there now. |
Chris BUCCAT (Hook_up)
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went out port yesterday started at the bouy 60 water 121 line down to 34.38 water 59 60 geeen water meater fish but they did not get the fish hit weather was good |
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What size bait do you guys want, |
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confirmed albacore and bluefin? are you sure that water kinda looks like it just got spat out from the channel. |
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Just when it begins to look like its time to throw in the towel, a large plum of 61 degree water is moving up from the south with the upper reaches touching the weather buoy and the area off of Arguello Canyon has confirmed albacore and bluefin. The ocean may even flatten out this weekend. If all the stares line up right maybe we will even get some larger bait.
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Shamrock (Unregistered Guest)
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The most current SST shows warm water in close South towards point Arguelo. Cloud cover is masking the area around MB and PSL. |
Michael Gorgita (Gdoggsb)
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Stacey..seabass are found where the squid are, water doesn't matter to them so that green water could of held some fish. They like the outflows at Diablo and Morro Bay too. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Virgs says that the warm water is 20 miles off shore, anybody got a good SST that shows the good #
Blackie SR
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JIM Tunaholic (Jimmy_g)
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I just watched the news, They said that the water temp is 61 degrees....Do I need to call in sick tomorrow and give it one last shot? |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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 Nice YFT, but I would prefer something more like this for the locals. I forgot to mention in Fridays post that we stopped at Buchon on the way in, my partner jigged a squid on his rock rig. The water appeared to have a greenish tinge to it but, it was getting dark and I couldn't really tell for sure. I'm inexperienced with seabass fishing. Can someone please post what to look for water-wise for seabass. Thanks, Stacey |
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ALMOST THERE!! |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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SWELL IS UP AND THE FORECAST HAS TURNED UGLY !!!
If anyone is going tomorrow be sure and check the weather before going. The swell is aready 10 ft and the wind could be 25kts tomorrow. |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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We went out for tuna today, Friday. We got skunked. We worked the plume North of the donut as depicted on the OCT 15 11:39 PM terrafin starting at 06 & 40 eventually fishing Southerly and then NW towards MB passing thru 00 & 20. The fog never lifted today and it was very thick in areas. I heard one of the Virges boats got 11 LFT and 3 blue-fin. Good luck to all fishing Sat&Sun. |
Crazy Fisherman (Tuna_killer)
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WHERE ARE THE ALBAOCRE GUYS?? Did anyone go out for tuna today?? IF so what happened. Going sunday anyone else. |
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port san luis live bait report Deke and Joe have small anchovys and med. sardines |
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Deke has small anchovys and med sardines for the weekend |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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I think we fooled the weather gods but not the fish gods. The weather looks great this weekend, except for some fog & swell, which means great fishing but based on what I heard this morning not good catching, at least for tuna ! There is 4-6 boats out looking and so far only 2 tuna that I know of.
John: thanks for the barracuda report.
Barracuda are fun to catch so that might be a good option. Purisima is also a good area for lings/rockfish.
Watch out for the big swell going out of MB or close to shore. It will probably reach 10 ft by Sunday. |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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was coming back from a short cod trip yesterday(thursday)...at around 5pm i saw birds working at purisma pt...as i got closer i saw breaking fish EVERYWHERE! the biggest school of barracuda i've seen in years ..around 1/4 suare mile was alive with jumping cuda...i caught 47 of them in 1 1/2 hours..all the fish were pretty big, about 4 feet....at purisma pt in about 10 fathoms of water.. ...john |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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I think I hear some singing in the dep blue sea, I hope not,,,Harrell can you try that old Hawaiian trick again PLEASE.
Good luck to all this weekend be safe
Blackie/SR
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Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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We will be making a run on the Lil Izzy to the plume North of the donut on Friday. Is anyone else running Friday?
BBQ, thanks for the tips and tying lesson @ Giannini's, I'll use them tomorrow. |
shane shelton (Shanehotknot)
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will be in morro friday fishing sat and sunday
have friends from mexico that need some lft as i do also any that wants to run let me know
shane
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Don't work for anyone (retired) and have no vested interests other than chasing albacore which I have not done for about 3 weeks now !
Didn't sound very good today either. Only heard of a 6 albacore and 1 bluefin so far today and those were caught in that plume above the donut.
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Jake Jensen (Deep_cover)
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who is thinking about running this weekend? I know I am, I just need to decide if I am running out of Monterey or Morro. |
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Had a call from Mel de la Motte from the party boat fishing albacore at mid day. He said the ocean had been bumpy and they only had two fish at 55 mi. It looks like the weather may finally be fishable for the recreational fleet this weekend. The bait has still been small anchovie, not the best for long soaks but great for chum.
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HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
Do you work for Virgs or for Port San Luis Sport Fishing ??? Just Wondering. I want to also say thank you for all the helpful info you post.
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Ichiban has 29 fish and caught them in that plune of water above the donut !!! Metering lots of fish but can't get them to go again after an early bite. Party boats are running tonight so better grab a seat. Weather still looks good. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Weather/SST
The wind and waves have both been down for about 24 hrs now. We have a high pressure pretty much over us that should keep it down through the weekend but there will probably be some fog. Now that the weather is looking good the SST is not! That plume of warm water that we have been watching is moving out and fading. It is about a fifty mile run to what is left of it. At this time of the year there are usually some big albacore out there somewhere it just takes some looking to find them. The PSL buoy is a good place to start. Watch the San Martin buoy for an indication of the conditions on the outside for the longer runs. |
S. Bengtson (Wasnt_me)
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Went out fishing Monday with a friend. Caught some nice brown,2-3lb.,rock cod and several 4lb. reds. No legal lings, several shorts. Caught mostly on squid and white jigs. Came in early with an almost limit of 16 fish. Fished the 100-115 foot range only a mile or two out of Morro Bay. Had the ocean pretty much to ourselves. Only had about a two hour time to fish without wind. From shore first and then seaward. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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There is an old Hawaiian trick to fool the fish gods; Make them think that you are not going fishing ! |
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Harrell,
Come on now! Too early to give up!! It's only mid October. What we need is more boats out there looking as soon as this swell and wind come down. We'll get em.
Tight Lines
Jocelyn |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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NOAA was right on the surf forecast ! Diablo Canyon buoy was over 8 ft last night which means Morro Bay entrance would be extremely dangerous.
No end in sight to this lousy weather and I heard that the water has turned green and no fish. I think it is time to put up the tuna gear and move on to other endeavors. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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NOAA just posted a high surf advisory and the swell is the lowest is has been in several days ! Figure that one out !
The weather is better this morning but not enough for a small boat and the forecasts are not any better. There is a party boat down there today. Hope they catch fish. Don't think they did any good yesterday, bad weather and a full moon. The break moved a little further north and still holding together.
I checked out that Merc Panga link that Jim posted.
IMHO:
That would be my first choice for the Sea of Cortez but my last choice for the central coast, well maybe not the last. If you are going to fish Avila/Morro Bay (cold,windy,foggy and lumpy most of the time) here are the attributes that I would look for:
1. At least a 200 mile range
2. Wind and spray protection
3. Stability, ie; wide beam and hard chines
4. Very slow trolling speed for salmon/halibut
5. Top, arch or tower for antennas and radar
6. Diesel or four stroke power
7. Wash-off deck
8. Flotation = unsinkable
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Joe Perry (Joe_p)
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Jim
Diesel is definetly the way to go for economy. Personaly I would get a boat with a wider beam. Also something that you could put a custom top with curtains on to help keep you dry when things get snotty
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JIM Tunaholic (Jimmy_g)
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Can anyone give me any information on the 26' Diesel Merc Panga....
http://www.allisonmarine.com/Apex_panga/26%20Panga%20page.htm
1 mile per gallon is killing me, Can this boat handle local waters? |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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It's hard to believe but the break has moved even closer. It is almost at the 35:00 line and still holding together. That is about 25 miles from Avila.
Weather:
Not good news here. It has backed off some this morning but is still no place for a small boat. The forecast by NOAA is not good. The UCAR models are hard to read because they don't all agree. They do indicate better weather on the inside but can't tell how far out it will still be windy. The Navy models have not been updated yet, weekend I guess. So, it's still a wait, watch and hope ! |
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Harrell, please send me directions. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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SST:
Good SST and the water is still hanging in there even with gale winds trying to blow it away. The break has moved out a little to the 121:00 line which is just outside the PA buoy. This explains why the temp has dropped on the buoy. The top of the break is a little above 34:50.
Weather:
I see NOAA has caught up with the Navy and UCAR models and forecast an ugly weekend. The computer models show good weather the middle to the end of next week with wed looking good. According to the wave models the swell will be with us for a while. You can handle some swell if there is no wind on it.
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New to area and looking for good place for big lingcod and rockfish. Would appreciate any help anyone is willing to give. Have gps and would love to receive lat/lon but I am not greedy I am the needy. Thanks in advance for your help it is greatly appreciated |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Real good news and real bad news !!!
The good news first;
Another wide open SST. Despite the north wind a plume of 61 degree water has moved up the 121:00 line to the 34:50 line which is over ten miles in 2 days. That is about 30 miles from Avila.
The bad news:
There is a gale warning this morning ! The Pt. Arguello buoy is blowing 27-33 kts at 10 ft. 7 seconds. I checked both the navy and UCAR computer models and they don't show much relief before tuesday. NOAA shows saturday as coming down but I don't have a lot of confidence in their forecasts more than a day ahead but I sure hope they are right ! |
MM, Legacy (Mm_legacy)
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Monday report for the 25' Skipjack Legacy.
Fished west of Miguel at 05 up and 50 out, plus 4 sets of numbers near Arguello Cyn, then the Rodriguez for nada. Burned 130-gallons of diesel looking. This is the first time we've bit the goose egg in 50+ tuna trips. Our time I guess. Spoke to an 18-foot Trophy fishing tuna off Conception that launched out of Gaviota Pier. We came from SB Hbr. The Sea Hawk today had a 90 fish stop for 9 guys and was done before 11am fishing in the slop. Winds are forecast to blow 20 to 35-kts and won't come down until early Friday night. Will likley fish Tuesday. Mike Moore |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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P.S.
Forgot to mention that there was a wide open SST image of the area down by the donut/Arguello Canyon. The break is right where Darby said they caught fish. The area where the Arguello buoy is did not show 60 degees. Don't know why.Could be because the buoy sensor is below the surface. |
