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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 4:37 pm:   

In light of everything that is going on right now, here is my rant:

I have been checked by game wardens as much as anyone and I can be held responsible for what everyone on the boat does. I even got a ticket a few years ago for something that I didn't think was fair (luckily the judge agreed with me) although I did have my log book filled out incorrectly and got a small fine for that...my bad, now I know. Many of the regulations don't make much sense and some of them contradict each other. We all know that the current regulations are lame, it is even difficult for most wardens to keep up with them. That being said, the wardens that I know, got into the business because they want to protect our natural resources, as we all should. Most of us on this board don't put up with wasteful or greedy outdoorsmen. I, for one would not like it to be a free~for~all out there. The wardens did not make the regulations, just like the soldiers didn't make the war. Most, if not all of us support our troops whether we support the war or not. I feel that we should support our wardens just the same.
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Paul V. Boe (Lobo)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 11:38 am:   

Hi Michele, Please check your regular email regarding the Vagabundos donation to Kids at Sea. Paul Boe
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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 9:41 am:   

The Pit is at the west end of Hwy. 41.

Just a guess, but since we did not fill our OY early last year as above Pt. sur did, we should not have to be confined to 120 ft. and less. Of course I am only using common sense rather than the best available data, so I could be wrong.
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 9:29 am:   

Tim;
Not sure which area he was talking about on the 20 fathoms but I would bet it will be us too!
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Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 9:26 am:   

Perch Report: Pismo / Oceano Dunes Area

Fished it late yesterday on the incoming tide. It was petty sucky fishing even with the venerable Bloody Sandworm! Only a couple of dinks with a few more biters. Worked multiple pockets as far south as Pole 6 and north to the Grand Avenue ramp.

Been a while since I fished the area. It used to be a productive area but now very spotty it seems.

Gonna have to make the drive up the coast to get on the bite you guys are seeing up near San Simeon I guess.
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richard russell (Crazyhorse)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 9:03 am:   

Looks like we are trolling for makos this year or flatties? and where's the pit at?
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Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 7:42 am:   

Harrell, are you saying that 20 fathom line will apply to our area for Rockfish?
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 7:38 am:   

Blackie and Caster thanks, will give it another try. I did the side slits last try but must not have left it cook long enough.

I've seen the carp at Mead and other c-river locales, follow people right down the dock looking for popcorn handouts, some of them 4+ ft long. Quite a sight. Cloud out
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 7:26 am:   

Some more info from the PFMC meetings;

I just got off the phone with Dan Wolford and Paul Pierce who have been at the PFMC meeting all week. These are a few of the items discussed today:

1. Looks as though there will be a split in the management zones at Point Arena - this is very good news as it will better isolate the yelloweye problem.

2. The state is looking to implement "Yelloweye MPAs" north of Point Arena for the next season, again to address yelloweye concerns. More info will be coming on this over the next few weeks.

3. We are looking at a "normal season" this year with the exception of the depth limit moving in to 120' (20 fathoms) again.

4. Salmon looks as bad as it can possibly get. Current models forecast CV escapement to be 56,200 fish with NO ocean fishing. We need 122,000-180,000 at a MINIMUM! They are still working on a couple of options but the message was sent loud and clear today that if these numbers remain (and there is no reason to believe they won't) it will be virtually impossible to execute an emergency rule to have a season. Even so we are going to take a real hard look at all the numbers once they go out for comment and determine our official position. But it is only fair to warn all of you to expect the worst right now.

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Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 7:10 am:   

Cloud;
Park on the south side of the bridge the fence is down there , there is a trail going down to the beach , one of our members did cut some steps but it can still be a litle slick , ON cooking the perch , one of my favorite method is to scale gut cut all fins off and shake em up in a product called LOUISIANA FISH FRY , I use the new orleans style with lemon , deep fry at 350 till crisp , and enjoy.
You can get the stuff at albertsons.
We can always go to LAUGFLIN and catch CARP , saw some big ones this week , 3o#, would be a blast on ultra light tackle.
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Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 2:10 am:   

This says it all...

The closures will also result in a sharp increase in the price of wild king salmon and cause economic devastation to the commercial fishing industry, an industry already hit hard in recent years by Bush administration fishing closures.

The Bush administration... Polictical BS
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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 11:13 pm:   

Robert, what you don't see in that picture is the sea lion that is right behind those salmon, chasing them upstream.
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 7:22 pm:   

Hi Guys An Gals
just returned from a four day to laughin , and let me tell you Pauls perch cevechi was a hit , I think the staff of chefs at the tropicana will vouch for that , I had them sample it , I put the rest on my eggs every morning, GREAT job paul , I dont mind supplying you with perch.
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 6:26 pm:   

Well it only feels natural that if we can't go salmon fishing, then we should go hunting seals.

When does seal season open?
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 5:44 pm:   

Cloud, Perch ceviche is my favorite, but I've had good results frying the smaller ones whole, just gut and scale, I leave the heads on for dramatic effect. make a couple of cuts down each side and fry the devil out of them, until they are golden brown. a good time for this operation is just after making your own french fries.
Add red pepper oil to the fry oil and a nice curry sauce and you have Thai fried fish.
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 4:35 pm:   

A little more sit-rep on the salamon issue

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/03/12/18485321.php
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 12:25 pm:   

Dave I think if they have it their way we are looking at more than just this year.
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 9:19 am:   

About Cachuma...the county Board of Supervisors voted two days ago to delay a decision on the Cachuma closure for two weeks. Options to a closure will be explored, but there is strong support from local agencies to close it. Closure would cost the county big bucks in lost revenue, and the county would be forced to repay the 2.7 million grant it received to create a new boat ramp etc....

The two week delay in making a decision doesn't affect private boaters right now anyway, as no private boat can launch because the new ramp is still under construction and it may be three more weeks before it's ready...and by that time the lake may be closed to PB's.
It's been a royal cluster-you-know-what down here.
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 7:05 am:   

Here are the details from the Sacramento Bee;

State and federal officials Wednesday morning took the pre-emptive step to close seven salmon fishing zones on the California and Oregon coasts earlier than usual to protect chinook that remain alive in the ocean.

The action came during a conference of state and federal wildlife officials gathered for the Pacific Fishery Management Council meetings this week in Sacramento, said Peter Dygert, a biologist at the National Marine Fisheries Service.

The agencies decided early closures are needed because the council won't make a final ruling on the 2008 salmon season until mid-April, and seasons that normally open before then could jeopardize the species.

The seven zones include two commercial fishing areas off the Oregon coast that were set to open Saturday, and one California zone near Ft. Bragg that would have opened April 7.

The rest of the commercial season normally begins May 1.

Opening of the two Oregon zones will be delayed until April 15 at the request of Oregon state officials. But Dygert said subsequent actions probably would keep them closed.

Four recreational zones also were closed early. They cover the entirety of the Oregon and California coasts except for a zone near the Klamath River and were set to open either March 15 or April 5. One near Ft. Bragg has already been open since Feb. 16 and will now be closed April 1. The others will not open as scheduled.

The actions come amid a steep decline in the California Central Valley fall chinook salmon run, a normally robust run that underpins the fishery in both states. Last year's run was the second-lowest in 35 years of record-keeping, and this year is likely to be worse.

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/780623.html

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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 9:29 pm:   

Thanks Dave,

Hopefully we will still have rockfish season. The way things are going, rockfish will be the only target left for the $$enviros$$.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 9:22 pm:   

Ok, I just heard about the entire sport season closure. Also Fort Bragg will close on April 1.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:38 pm:   

I think we all heard that Casitas is closing...I heard that Cachuma is next, and then Lopez...
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:27 pm:   

Dave,

That is crazy talk!! I know that the five fish I caught last season had to do way more damage than polution and taking away the salmons ability to spawn. I also know that at a mere $400.00 per pound I paid, it was a smart investment.

Now what?
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Dave Pratt (My_three_sons)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 6:19 pm:   

Michelle, there is so much wild info going around today...I hope the info i got was wrong!
I've heard two things about Bragg...either it's open 'til april 1 or it shuts down immediately.
I really send my best wishes to you and your family....

IMO, a closure for a year will do jack-shit to solve the problem....nothing will get better without fixing habitat loss, pollution, and importantly....the diversion of so much water to the south.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 4:07 pm:   

Dave,
Does that mean that Fort Bragg is closed as of now? Has anyone heard if they are catching any fish up there?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 3:19 pm:   

As of this morning's meeting...bad news.

Emergency salmon closure adopted...no season.
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HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 1:34 pm:   

Here is a report from the Coastside board by Dan Wolford (Nancy H)


Tuesday - 3/11 We took up salmon - all day today, and the news is NOT good, but it remains preliminary so the deal is not yet done. Remember that this week we are only going to put options out for public review and comment - and then make the final decision at our April meeting in Seattle.

We heard from the Salmon Technical Team about last year's fishery, changes to the models, and predictions for this years escapaments. All along the coast the major runs are forecast to be down - in some cases (like the central valley) - way down. In other cases there is a strong year class that is keeping a run looking good at the moment - but is a short term situation - as on the Klamath this year. We also looked at the "Overfishing" (Dave Bitts restates it very nicely as "underproduction") report for the Klamath - made a couple of changes and have a management strategy to help us manage the Klamath fishery while protecting the recovery of the run from the disaster in 2006.

Then we took up what to do in 2008. The returns on the Sacrmento River Fall Chinook are forecast to be way below the conservation objective, and we may need to declare a "conservation alert" for this run - which will require that we close all fisheries that have a significant impact on the run. That would mean that unless some kind of emergency rule is enacted, that we will have to close all salmon fisheries south of Cape Falcon in Oregon. Now this is one option - but other options were still in play when we ajourned this evening - including seasons that are 2/3 and 1/3 of last year. These conditions basically apply to both the commercial and recreational sectors.

On the likelihoood of an emergency rule - we were successful in the case of the 2006 Klamath situation because we could demonstrate that there were times and locations along the coast where we could successfully fish for CV fish with low Klamath impacts. That is going to be a MUCH more difficult arguement here - since the CV runs make up the bulk of the fishery, unlike the Klamath run which is an isolated smaller run. So an emergency rule may be possible, but it is more of a theoretical possibility than anything.

As I said in today's opening - this is the start of the salmon discussions this week - we will have to see how the game unfolds and where we are at the end of the week. But this does not look good.


Monday - 3/10. The Council spent the entire day on Highly Migratory issues (tunas, swordfish...) today. We were reminded that NFMS has formally implemented the prior Council decision of recreational albacore limits along California - the daily bag limit is 10 Albacore a day south of Point Conception and 25 Albacore a day north of Point Conception, and 10 Bluefin a day statewide. These regulations went into effect November 2007 - so next time you go tuna fishing in CA, keep these restrictions in mind.

The bulk of the day focused on a high seas (west of the 200 mile EEZ) shallow set long line fishery (SSLL). This is basically intended to transition fishemen away from existing drift gill nets and re-institute a LL fishery on the high seas. It's a step in the right direction, in that there is documented lower by-catch with this type of long-line than in the gill nets, but neither is a particularly clean fishery. While I voted for the High Seas fishery, I was in the minority and voted against an experimental long line fishery inside the EEZ - because of issues with the experiment design and the (in my opinion) low expectation that this particular experiment will yield useful data. No action was taken to implement either proposal rather today's action is to send them forward for public comment - both will have to come before the Council again for actual adoption.

The Salmon guys (Paul and the rest of the Salmon Advisory Subpanel - SAS) met today, but have not brought proposals to the Council as yet. They are scheduled to do that tomorrow - so they will continue to work on options.


Sunday 3/9 - the PFMC convened today - and will work through late on Friday to address our complete agenda. Today was mostly administrative stuff. Highly Migratory (read that as tuna) will be address on Monday, then Salmon on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, Groundfish on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, with Habitat, and Halibut filling up the gaps. Paul will be here working on the Salmon Advisory Subpanel, and I'll be on the Council floor for the week. We'll try and keep you updated as the week progresses.

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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 12:35 pm:   

Cloud, If you're not worried about eating raw fish, why not try the ceviche recipe on the perch? My last batch was really good. Recipe is below on this board. Paul Boe
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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 9:02 am:   

Looks like I will be collecting unemployment for one more month than usual.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 8:59 am:   

Just by looking at those dates, it seems like the intent is to keep the pressure off:

1. While rockfish is closed.

2. From people who have jobs (and pay taxes).
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 8:18 am:   

FYI

Here are the draft ocean salmon fishing seasons for California being proposed at the PFMC this week. In all options, April will be closed for the entire state. Bag limit would be 2.

Option 1

KMZ: May 24-September 1
Ft. Bragg: Feb 16-March 31, May 1-Sept 7
SF: May 1- Sept 21
Monterey & South: May 1- Aug 2

Option 2:

KMZ: May 24- May 31 (all days) + June 4-Sept 1 (Wednesdays thru Sundays)
Ft. Bragg: Feb 16-March 31, May 17- July 12
SF: May 24-26; May 29 - August 24 (Thursdays thru Sundays)
Monterey & South: May 1- June 8

Option 3:

No directed fishery for ocean salmon.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:34 am:   

Dave thanks for the circle hook info I'll give it a try. I hesitate to use baitholders, my mouth hook rate is about 90% also but gut hooking and killing while catch/release fishing just give me heartburn. A message hammered into me as a kid--if it isnt going on the table *do not* kill it.

I might try cooking one more perch to see if I can make it right, but the last time was a complete failure. Mushy/yuck/trash. It was cleaned and kept way cool after catch, and I took it out of the fry pan right after it flaked apart, like hali or rockfish. Do diferent methods/cooking rules apply to perch or what?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 11:00 pm:   

I believe the PFMC meets next week in an emergency meeting to discuss three options related to this year's salmon season. The F and G Commission always meets a few weeks after the opener to set new rules and regs for the current season, and sets the closing at that time.
Next week is big, as one of the options on the table is no rec season. Therefore...it is entirely possible that there will be no April 5 opener. We will know soon.

As far as circles for perch, as Cloud asks...yes, i have used them fishing sand crabs and they work fine, just don't strike when you get bit.
I'm using Eagle Claw baitholder hooks with the bloody sandworms, either #2 or #4...90%, maybe a little more, of my fish are hooked in the mouth. I'm rarely gut-hooking fish. A #2 isn't too big. Also, I'm using a fairly large section of worm, which may be harder to swallow.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 10:26 pm:   

For the years that I have been reading this page, I remember a few responses from local Game Wardens.....So for these Game Wardens I have 2 Questions.....

Question #1

For example, I am trolling a salmon rig out of season.....I catch a salmon and throw him back unharmed (catch and release) Can I get a ticket for this?

I do not get a ticket for catching and releasing Canary cod or short lings....

Seems the ticketing comes with possession not intent...

Question #2

This does not apply to me as I fish a center console boat, however, it is widely believed that if you (Game Warden) step onto my boat and request to seach the cabin/berth or sleeping area, I have the right to tell you no. What areas do you have the authority to search?

I also work in the law enforcement field and fully respect your position....Miranda, POBAR....yada yada

Thanks

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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   

Thank you Michelle and Tim.....My mind said, what if that was a whale that I just bumped...kind of chilling...we are talking about inches.. DFG passed me in the middle of town.....pulled me over at Lemos feed...I helped him open every hatch....I would never poach a fish...I just need to fish..I closed my kennel in October...to be able to spend more time on the water...But if I am fishing the bottom for San Dabs.....it looks like Im fishing Rock Cod....I came in closer to drift swimbaits for Halibut...but was constantly thinking...Maybe I shouldnt be....Michelle wasnt out fishing that day..I couldnt reach Bob Gannon on the phone..I finally just pulled in and went home....Scared to fish....pretty sad.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 8:50 pm:   

Marty,
It is not illegal to troll a spoon without a hook, you will know if you get bit. Don't be surprised when the DFG asks you to pull your gear so they can check it though, it would be like driving around in a car drinking out of a Budweiser can that has apple juice in it, and then getting mad at a cop for pulling you over. Also, the grey whales run their migration path by here in about 250 feet of water.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 7:47 pm:   

Marty,
Seems to me someone talked about trolling with no hook last season and I thought I remember reading that it was OK. I'd definitely confirm before I went dragging bait though.

WOW! Guess you can't even put a boat in the water during the off season without being suspect? Where did DFG catch up to you, Morro or elsewhere?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 7:27 pm:   

Hey Dave....still have a Kayak available...? Have a dog that could use some training? :-) Moneys tight right now...but it would be a good way to fish further up north...we can talk. mj@rajunkennels.com
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 7:24 pm:   

If its possible to troll for Salmon with a no hook set up, Im game.... Also fishing last Saturday...My boat seemed to roll slightly... made me look around and to see if there was any blood....blew it off...when I got home and was backing the boat in the garage, my son said the prop was bent.. Boat Doc Mark says that about 125.00 to fix....nother thing...I was out trying to find the Mackeral in 250 feet of water...Game warden pulled me over in town. said someone suspected me of fishing Rock Cod...He was very nice though and showed me how to put the MpAs into my furuno...Whens the perch derby?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 7:03 pm:   

I have been reading these posts for sometime now and figured, what the heck. I'm always interested in what fish are being caught, so I thought I could also provide some insight.

Perch, Rocks, Halibut, Party Boats, Kayaks, Piers, whatever I'm there.

Who all kayak fishes here for sport? Always looking for people to fish with when the rockfish season opens.

Angler was spotted slightly north of the Pit reelin' in a big 10lb Steelhead off the beach on Saturday afternoon. He was using a carolina rig and said he was fishing for Stripers when the Steelhead grubbed his grub.

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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 6:21 pm:   

I feel better now.

I JUST got this email and thought I'd share so we can all rest easy knowing Barbara's got our back.
_______________________

Dear Friend:

I am pleased to let you know that I have joined Congressman Mike Thompson, Senator Dianne Feinstein, and other Senators and Representatives from California, Oregon and Washington in calling for prompt action in case of a seriously impacted salmon season.

In our letter to the Secretary of Commerce, we urged that, if the coming salmon season nears the deep cuts seen during the salmon fishing season of 2006, when over 90 percent of the catch was off limits, the U.S. Department of Commerce should act quickly to declare a federal fisheries failure. This action will make it possible for Congress to work quickly to get aid to affected communities.

The preliminary reports on the number of returning juvenile salmon this year is cause for concern. In order for Congress to act, federal law requires that the Secretary of Commerce must first declare the season a commercial fishery failure. The delays in declaring a failure in 2006 were significantly detrimental to communities along the coast that depend upon fishing and tourism. We will need quick action to help these families this year.

You can count on me to continue to work on behalf of coastal families who depend on the salmon run.

Sincerely,


Barbara Boxer
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Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 5:27 pm:   

Fish and Game Commission meets April 10. As I understand it, if they were to vote to close the Salmon Season, it would still require the 10 day posting so with that, there's the potential for 20+ days. Question is, are there any fish out there yet? Anybody plan on burning some fuel and dragging some no-hook bait to scout 'em out this time around?
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