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Cracka (Jim_g)
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Post Number: 202
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Votes: 12 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 2:51 pm: | |
Marty
I have read on this report that you can troll large rapallas off the downrigger for thresher shark...But I dont know if you troll deep or shallow. Maybe someone in the know can give us some advice. |
Cracka (Jim_g)
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Post Number: 201
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 2:49 pm: | |
OPENING WEEKEND SALMON REPORT:
Had my best luck at Vons in Atascadero...lol
Sure glad I bought those fancy electric down riggers... |
Marty Johnson (Dogpro)
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 2-2007
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Votes: 23 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 11:19 am: | |
Thank you Michelle and Steve....How about Shark fishing? In an effort to be able to continue to fish with sooo many closures..Catch and release Shark fishing could be a fun alternative. To drift, and chum them to the boat...and ultimately get a Shark to eat a fly...sounds like a hoot to me...any info. out there on this would be appreciated... |
steve mcgill (4baja)
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Post Number: 58
Registered: 8-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 7:39 am: | |
marty use the throw net instead of sabiki, you will get much more and the bait will be more lively without haveing a hook in there mouth. we useualy drop the boat in at first light and scout around the bay looking for sighns of bait on the surface or birds working, once we spot them will meter around it looking for balled up amounts. once located roll up slowly on them and toss the net. sometimes we get all we need in one cast other times you will have to hunt alittle more. one key thing , it is alot easyer if the tide is out as it consentrates the fish in the channel and not out in the eel grass. good luck. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Post Number: 372
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 6:16 pm: | |
I have caught lots of sardines on Sabikis. There are already halibut being caught in the bay. I would guess that the best months are June through Sep. Halibut bite dead bait and swim baits too. |
Marty Johnson (Dogpro)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 7:42 am: | |
Great web site Michelle...thank you. When is it possible to start catching Halibut in the harbor? And when is primetime? Can bait be caught with a Sabiki rig? I have a net, still in its box, have never actually thrown one. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Post Number: 371
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 9:50 pm: | |
Gray whales start passing through in mid-December on their way down, then back up mid-march. They should all be cleared out by mid-April. Humpbacks should show up any day now. I was out there today and didn't see any whales of either species, but that could have been because it was blowing 25 kts. and all I saw was white caps and green water on the windshield. Also blues will be here during the summer months. Those are the major species, here is a website if you want to learn more. Next time when you search the internet, search the whale types ie: gray whale migration.
http://gocalifornia.about.com/cs/siteindex/a/whalewatching.htm |
Marty Johnson (Dogpro)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:15 pm: | |
Thanks Blackie.....tieing gear up now.. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Post Number: 595
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 8:08 pm: | |
MARTY
NO gonna do some things around the home front, if you go fish the north end of the beach, most of the fish came from the rock out front of the one on shore, good luck
Blackie |
Marty Johnson (Dogpro)
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Post Number: 34
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 7:39 pm: | |
Blackie.....R U going again manana? If the bites that good...would like to try with the fly rod. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Post Number: 594
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 5:31 pm: | |
PERCH REPORT
In the water at 0700 this morning at little pico, out at 0930 with full limit of big ole barries , biggest fish at 14 inches , couple 12 and the rest at 10 inches , was a non stop bite on them new 2 inch bloody sand worms , realeased a dozen small fish , was a great day on the water , wind came up about 10.
Beats the hell out of YARD work.
Blackie |
Marty Johnson (Dogpro)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 9:30 am: | |
I looked online for Whale migration info. What species would be traveling thru our area at a given time...and had no luck...so I will ask our resident/favorite expert Michelle... |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Post Number: 370
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 12:36 pm: | |
Fishermen take salmon pleas to Washington
John Driscoll/The Times-Standard
Article Launched: 04/03/2008 01:24:32 AM PDT
West Coast commercial fishermen are on Capitol Hill this week urging
Congressional leaders to investigate the worst salmon fishery collapse in history.
The seven fishermen from California, Oregon and Washington said in a
teleconference Wednesday that government policies on the three major coastal rivers
are creating systemic “rolling blackouts” in which fisheries are closed or
heavily restricted from year to year. This year, an extreme shortage of salmon
expected to return to the Sacramento River is leading the Pacific Fishery
Management Council to recommend a paltry fishery -- or none at all.
Increased water diversions and habitat problems in the Sacramento are
damaging the runs, the fishermen said, and are making salmon populations unable to
handle other challenges like poor ocean conditions. The Klamath and Columbia
rivers also suffer similar ills, they said.
”If those river conditions were corrected we would not have the problem we
have now,” said Washington fisherman Ron Richards.
They also drew into question the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration's opinion that a lack of food in the ocean was key to the collapse,
saying that in the past decade fish have been larger and healthier, indicative of
good ocean conditions.
Eureka fisherman Dave Bitts said the group hopes Congress will look into the
National Marine Fisheries Service's 2004 report that found increased pumping
from the Sacramento River delta for irrigation and cities would not
jeopardize salmon. He wanted to know if political meddling may have been behind that
opinion.
”We would like Congress to do whatever it can to restore the scientific
integrity of the work done by the National Marine Fisheries Service on the
Sacramento fisheries,” Bitts said.
The U.S. Department of Commerce Inspector General in July 2005 found that
the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation and the California State Water Project's plans
passed muster with the National Marine Fisheries Service -- but that the
fisheries agency gave approval without following established processes for
ensuring the quality of its work. The Inspector General did not find evidence that
the fisheries service changed its opinion of the plan midstream.
Other indicators of the health of the Sacramento River delta include the
threatened delta smelt, which have suffered enormous population declines
recently. The situation for that fish is so dire that scientists have begun to breed
more smelt to backup the natural population in case it goes extinct.
Another interesting twist is that a program by the Fisheries Foundation of
California and the state Department of Fish and Game to truck young salmon
from upstream of the delta to San Francisco Bay where they can acclimate in pens
was effectively shut down in 2005 and 2006. The salmon were instead dumped
into the river unprotected, where they were preyed on by birds and striped
bass, Bitts said.
The fish released in 2005 would have returned this year, and those from 2006
would have returned next year -- which is also expected to see a poor run.
Some have voiced concern that while the previously successful net pen program
may have led to a major boom in ocean salmon populations, that it may also
have masked the delta's problems by repeatedly turning out abundant runs.
The fishermen visiting Capitol Hill said it's likely there is no one smoking
gun behind the fishery collapse, but that the problems need to be examined
if people want to preserve an icon of the Northwest.
Rep. Mike Thompson was among those the group met with this week. The St.
Helena Democrat said he'd see if the House Resources Committee was interested in
addressing the issue, or might hold field hearings in the area. Mainly, he
said, it's important that people who aren't tied to the industry be made aware
of what is happening to the valuable salmon resource.
”It's pretty evident -- you don't have to look very deep -- to see that
there are major problems,” Thompson said.
John Driscoll can be reached at 441-0504 or _jdriscoll@times-standard.com_
(mailto:jdriscoll@times-standard.com) .
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Fishermen urge probe into decline of salmon
By Winston Ross
The Eugene Register-Guard
Published: April 3, 2008 12:00AM
A passel of salmon fishermen took to the nation’s capital on Wednesday,
lobbying Congress for a federal inquiry into the dismal returns of juvenile
chinook salmon on the Sacramento River, the West Coast’s most important smolt
source.
The seven trollers held a press conference in Washington, D.C., to announce
that they’re dissatisfied with the federal government’s explanation for the
worst number of “jacks” returning to California’s Central Valley on record —
2,000 fish, compared to the long-term average of 40,000.
Government scientists have said the steep decline is a mystery, probably
tied to ocean conditions. But a growing chorus of skeptics is beginning to
challenge that notion, and they want someone to figure out exactly why the salmon
runs are so anemic.
“There are an awful lot of questions about habitat conditions, as opposed to
other reasons for the fishery’s failure,” said Bob Kemp, a troller from
Newport.
John McManus, spokesman for the nonprofit environmental law firm
Earthjustice, said federal officials pumped a record 6.4 millionacre feet of water out
of the Sacramento River in 2005, despite warnings from government scientists
that such action would jeopardize protected fish in the watershed, a decision
that could help explain the bad numbers of late.
“Those fish of ’05 are the class of ’08,” said Jim McCarthy, a spokesman
for Oregon Wild, a Portland-based conservation group. “People are saying it’s
ocean conditions, and that may have played a part in it. But the operation
of pumps on the Sacramento used to divert huge amounts of water have turned
the river into a reverse-flowing river in some places, sucking smolts backwards.
”
The fishermen who gathered Wednesday are asking for congressional hearings
on what went wrong in the river, plus more research on the health of fish
populations.
“If the salmon were in better condition, if the habitat was healthier, they’
d be better able to withstand whatever ocean conditions are occurring,” said
Paavo Carroll, a troller from Charleston. “The problem is, they’re not as
resilient as they ought to be.”
Ocean conditions fluctuate, said Dave Bitts, another salmon fisherman from
Eureka, Calif., but the fish have to make it to the ocean before they can be
affected there.
Rod Moore, executive director of the West Coast Seafood Processor’s
Association and a member of the Pacific Fishery Management Council, said Wednesday
that it’s up to Congress whether to investigate the source of problems on the
river.
“There have been folks who have been talking about water diversions in the
Sacramento system as being a possible cause ever since the poor returns were
announced. I don’t know what the answer is,” Moore said. “I’m not an expert
on California water diversions.” |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Post Number: 369
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 11:58 am: | |
"Good idea. If they're not doing anything wrong...why not make them pay 4,000.00 +"
Ignorance at it's finest. |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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Votes: 11 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:30 am: | |
In the TT today.
Bill Morem: They are humble fishers, not criminals
By Bill Morem
What do you think of the new requirement for fisherman to have GPS systems on their boats?
Good idea. If they're not doing anything wrong, they should have nothing to worry about.
It's horrible. Talk about Big Brother.
In areas where overfishing has been a problem it would be a good idea.
Your vote has been counted, thank you for voting.
Our commercial fishing friends in Morro Bay and Port San Luis continue to take one hit after another as their industry founders under regulatory red tape.
With many of their brethren already winnowed out of business by gear regulations, heavily restricted seasons on catches and newly formed marine protected areas that close off some of the Central Coast’s richest fishing zones, our commercial fishers should be able to qualify for protection as the latest Environmental Protection Agency endangered species.
In fact, though, the government is treating them like criminals. I’ll get to that in a moment.
The folks who wrest their living from the sea and deliver us fresh food don’t need — or want—to be thought of as victims, endangered or otherwise. They simply want to be left alone to ply one of the world’s most dangerous trades. It’s a life, not a lifestyle.
Like being nibbled to death by ducks, the commercial fishing life has been under unrelenting attack by a regulatory climate that’s been ginned up by overfishing and species collapse elsewhere.
But let’s make a distinction: The remnants of the Central Coast fishing fleet is not akin to factory ships, those massive vessels that vacuum up everything for thousands of miles in their wake.
Nor is our fleet responsible for the Grand Banks collapse of cod, which was hammered by tens of thousands of boats over a couple of hundred years.
Nonetheless, our community of fishers is paying for the excesses of others. But do they have to be treated like criminals, too?
It’s not enough that a fisherman (or any boater for that matter) has no Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search. That’s right; once you step on a boat, your constitutional rights end. Authorities can board your craft anytime they feel like it.
No, the feds now think it’s a good idea that Global Positioning System units be mandatory for each boat.
The National Marine Fisheries Service (the federal equivalent of our state Department of Fish and Game) came up with this one in order to track fishermen 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year.
That’s right; these are the equivalent of those location-tracking ankle bracelets used on home-detention criminals.
Under penalty of fines, these tracking systems cannot be turned off — ever — unless permission is granted. The expense in batteries alone is going to be onerous.
But it doesn’t stop there. These instruments cost fishermen $3,800 and anywhere from $250 to $400 to install. On top of that, they have to pay a monthly fee of $42.95 for the privilege of having Big Brother aboard.
These devices are ostensibly required to let authorities know if fishers are poaching in marine protected areas.
Yet because of atmospheric anomalies, they’re not guaranteed to record a minute-by-minute location of where a boat has been, can’t be used for navigation purposes and may give an off-the- mark readout of a boat’s location.
Smells to me like the ingredients of a perfect regulatory storm.
Bill Morem can be reached at 781-7852 or bmorem@thetribunenews.com . |
Dave (Antikbuff)
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Votes: 18 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 10:47 pm: | |
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Only 850. to readers of this site... |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 10:02 am: | |
pat,pat...pat,pat...thanks for doing all the footwork Mel. See you all out there in May. The first Kids at Sea trip is scheduled for June 24th, there is still space avail. If you already signed up I will get ahold of you end of this week, I am still trying to catch up from being on vacation. Morro Bay Commercial Fishermen's Organization threw in another thousand dollars. Thanks to everyone's support, we are going to do well this year. In the meantime, Charlie Reed and I are working on setting up a fundraiser for next winter in the valley. Probably in February. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Votes: 25 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 7:56 am: | |
Harrell: Thank you for your support.
You are a fabulous resorce on this web site for weather, water temps, and other technical info that helps us locate fish ... Thanks to your efforts.
Mel |
HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Votes: 28 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 6:56 am: | |
Even though it looks like no salmon for us I want to thank Mel for his outstanding effort. We are lucky to have such a talent on our side.
THANKS MEL !! |
Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 5:27 am: | |
Well, I guess the votes are in and we are not going salmon fishing this year. My boat isn't even ready so it wouldn't have mattered nor would I want to be in court paying some hefty fine but it was fun to dream. Trust me, with a degree in Natural Resources Management from our local Cal Poly, I would never want to catch the last salmon. I watched the coho run in the San Lorenzo River (feeds into Monterey Bay) as a kid dry up as I grew up due to logging practices, siltation etc. The steelhead are still there! Some of you probably remember what a strange year last year was up in Monterey Bay. Very large fish were caught early in the season which isn't really normal. The second weekend we caught six fish from 20#-37# (as did many others in what was known as the hog farm last year). I have been fishing up there for about six years straight for salmon and it was a very different catch size-wise(usually 8-12 lbs early ion the season). We thought then that something was up. Did these fish stay in the ocean an extra year? Who knows. My wife ordered some salmon from a restaurant the other night and it was terrible. Must have been that urge for the real stuff that got me going. Sorry to stir the pot guys. |
Mike Moore (Legacy) (Moorefish)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 7:07 pm: | |
Thanks for the 411 Bob. Straight boat work on this end plus the regular emergency work. Nothing to report from the islands below Conception expect for rf. Cold/green/wind. |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 6:43 pm: | |
I took the boat out for a spin today from Morro Rock out to 3.5 mi. There was no bait, no birds, no sealions. The water was 48 degrees and 40 foot visability. Not a single mark on the meter.
Bob Hather |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 6:24 pm: | |
Mel, thank you for your hard work. I am thankful we have some one who can swim through all the legal language the State uses to confuse us.
I'll take your advice, I'll be able to save all the gas money I would have spent trolling and spend on a trip up to Piedras Blancas,...wait isn't that closed.... |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 2:40 pm: | |
Charlie Reed: We had considered a fundraiser at the MB Community Center for April 5 (and now wish we had gone forward with it) ... but we cancelled our reservation. We probably will have a fundraiser later in the year ... maybe September or October.
Charlie ... you can go ahead and start working on some nice jewelry ... and we thank you for your great support over the years.
Mel |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 2:37 pm: | |
Friends: Let me first defend myself ... and then give you an update on our research ...
1. Let me be clear that my postings here are to advise you about the legality of the CDFG and Commission actions. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT YOU GO SALMON FISHING. THAT IS YOUR OWN CALL. I am only trying to inform you as to whether it would be legal or not.
I will be in Florida this weekend and will not be here for the action. The CCFCC tries to educate its members and keep you advised as to your RIGHTS.
Personally, I think that salmon go through cycles based on a host of impacting variables. I think water flow out of the rivers is important. I think that available forage in the ocean is important. I think that sea lions are much bigger predators of the salmon than humans. I suspect that this year and next could be huge salmon returns. I would not hesitate to take some salmon out of our waters if it were legal. BUT ... you make your own call on the conservation aspect of fishing this year for salmon. I am only trying to tell you your rights.
2. Now, to the recent research. A lot of work was done overnight on this issue. I will not bore you with the complexities. I have also been doing research this morning. I have also been on the phone with our research attorney. I have also been on the phone with an astute representative of the Fish & Game Commission. I have also been talking with a representative of the Office of Administrative Law in Sacramento.
First, let's talk about the notice issue. I believe that we are correct that the Commission only gave four working days "notice." That is inadequate. The action closing salmon fishing in state waters was last Friday, March 28. The official notice was on that date. With Monday as a holiday, they only gave 4 working-days notice.
The Commission takes the position that they gave "notice" on March 19th by sending out notice of the proposed closure to all concerned parties who demand written notice. (I agree that they sent out that notice.) However, it is my position that legal "notice" cannot start until the regulatory board actually ACTS and votes on the emergency regulation. That did not happen until March 28th.
Here is the bottom line. We could go to court ... and get a writ ... and we might win. However, the Commission has an "arguable" point. In a situation like this ... we have to be clear winners or the judge will rule against us. He will want to skew everything in favor of the Commission because their action is an "emergency". He will only rule for us ... if we are clearly right ... and the judge has no other alternative. Since they have an "arguable" point that they gave notice on March 19th ... then I think it is probable that we would end up losers.
So ... CCFCC is not going to file the writ seeking an injunction stopping the closure. My advice to all of you is that you NOT test the law on this issue by going fishing this weekend.
Next, there was one other issue. Did the Office of Administrative Law publish the order five calendar days before the effective date of the order. I thought they did not post this on their web site until this morning. However, a representative from the OAL says that they posted it to the web site last Friday.
End result: I suggest that we take the next month to get our rockfishing gear ready ... and maybe plan a salmon fishing trip to Alaska this year. Remember that Steve Goodman still has some openings (I think) for a trip of local fishermen to Alaska to Frontier Charters Lodge in June.
I am very sorry to any of you that got your hopes up for fishing this weekend ... especially Bob Hather ...
Mel |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 1:57 pm: | |
Grillo,
With all due respect your statement about the North is unfounded. I've been to MLPA meetings were Coastside Fishing Club Memebers stood up in force spoke for Central Coast Fishing rights. Any shortfall regrading representation for Central Coast fishing rights is on us.
Carl |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Chip say and think what you want it does not really matter the fact is it's closed and you wont be fishing on April 5. That was my point!If you are real lucky you might get a weekend or two to fish end of May and August but I doubt it. Not picking on Mel I am just a realist. I don't think it's any one thing that has created the problem. It's a combination of things that have been mentioned. Let's just hope they do something to help these fish we have left recover, stopping fishing alone wont help. Just my opinion. |
Charles Reed (Charlie_reed)
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Mel & Bob. I think you are all doing a great job. I would like to change the subject a little.Are you planning a CCFCC dinner this year and if you are what is the date? Charlie |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Votes: 12 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 11:15 am: | |
It would not hurt me to stay home those two days , and save some fuel, and let the SALMON alone for this year.
If you really need to catch them go to IDAHO and catch them in the lake , or beter yet go catch the rainbows, or Macks and get PAID $10.00 a piece , yea thats right ,some folks make a couple hundred a month , pays for fuel at least we dont have a bounty on our fish YET.
Talk about good managment, scary.
Stayin in the barn for salmon season.
Blackie |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 10:17 am: | |
FYI salmon runs:
For those that think taking a few thousand fish doesn't affect the a salmon run, it is important to remember that there are still wild runs left in the Sac/San Joaquin river watersheds. Some of these creeks had runs as little as 50 fish last year(email me if you'd like the spread sheet of salmon runs in the Sac from 1952-2007).
That is what scares fish biologist and is why they are closing the fishing. They fear that, when the numbers are so low, that fishermen could (by chance) wipe out a whole run of fish in a small creek. All salmon mix in the ocean and it is impossible to tell what creek, much less which river system they are from.
So if you do go fishing, please release any wild salmon. You can keep all the hatchery fish you'd like (clipped adipose fin). But for the sake of these small creeks with small runs...release the wild fish!!!
best fishes,
steve |
Robert Grillo (Devildog)
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Votes: 19 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 9:54 am: | |
Chip, #1 and most important, I can not make this clear enough IN NO WAY WAS I DOGGING MEL! I am very thankfull to Mel for everything he has done. With that said, would it not speak volumes if we here on the coast had the legal right to fish for salmon but choose not to for conservtion reason. I would like that to hit the papers... who is the real steward of our fish stocks; those that use it and manage it properly or some ghost shrimp worshiping red legged frog chaser that watches the ocean from her bamboo hut on shore ( outside of the snowy plovers man made habitat)? |
Michael Hahlbeck (Garalli)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 9:22 am: | |
I think its important for all of us here to remember who was OUR voice during each and every dispute with these closures .... it was Mel. Sometimes you have to take a stand on principle. Mel is no fool and is using this to show the flaws in the thinking (or lack of) of the decission makers. We were all in agreement that the rockfish closures were wrong, and that their thoughts were flawed. His pointing this out is not about 1 or 2 days, but the stupidity in the way they do things. Lets not go down the road we did before, lets stick together and pull on the same rope. The fragmentation that is occuring is the desired affect that the opposition would hope for. It will be a much easier fight if they have small battles here and there, rather than a statewide effort of protecting the entire resource. It happenned here, but we were the testing ground for them and no one in the other areas thought it mattered. Clearly it does, and OUR only hope is to fight for all. |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Here are the counts and info, as I trolled (yes a pun) the internet. I think this was reported before.
King salmon take between 3-5 yrs to come back to the river they were hatched in. Most King salmon come back at age 3. Managers (we will use this term loosely) use 2 year old, or jacks, to predict the run of 3 yr olds. In 2007 the number of jacks that came back (these predict the fish in 08) was so low that it predicted an 08 run of 59,000 fish. Managers set the lower limit of return at 122,000.
Now the question remains, as the fish can stay out in ocean for 3-5yrs, are they still out there and will they return this year. If they do return in higher than predicted numbers, then we really need to hammer DFG on their outdated estimate models. As this will really, more so than usual, show how inept they are. |
Dave (Antikbuff)
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I concur Harrell...
And anybody that really cares should also. |
HARRELL KIMBALL (Catmakai)
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OK, we got them on technicality ! But I don't think this is the point. If the science is good and salmon data has always been pretty good, not like rockfish, etc. Then the question is; do we want to be part of the solution or part of the problem ?? If my not fishing lets just one more salmon up stream to spawn then that will help the count 3/4 years from now. I will be sitting this one out ! |
Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Votes: 19 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 4:45 am: | |
Gordano and Grillo, I think you should pay a little more attention to the root causes of the low salmon counts. Of course sea lions, delta pumping have taken thier toll but most likely the number one cause has been the lack of coastal upwelling we had a few year's back. No upwelling=no phytoplankton=no plankton=no food for the smolts=no smolts to grow to adulthood. This winter we have had a great upwelling year, however, we are paying for a previous year's problem. If we were allowed to sportfish a few weekends would it have very much impact on the overall scheme of things? Probably not. Keep in mind how big the numbers are of the commercial take. We may not catch many fish but we could at least fish. They could also switch the bag limit to one fish per person per day and limit the number per year with a punch card. There were many other options that were not explored properly to get us through these rough times. If anyone out there thinks that catching a few thousand salmon on opening weekend compared to the normal hundreds of thousands caught in a typical year is that big of a deal, you are wrong. If there is a chance to fish for a day or two, it will not impact the fishery in a significant way. And to chastise Mel (Give it up) for all his efforts to protect our rights is a joke. Mel, many of us are with you and will be out there fishing on opening day as long as we know we won't lose our gear and/or boat. Thanks for all your effort. Remember folks, not too long ago, they were considering shutting down the entire west coast to protect the Klamath River fish that were decimated by the poor water quality. Well, they didn't close the fishery and the returns have been good up there. The salmon will recover here also. I have looked at a chart that showed returns approaching last year's level that occured about ten or twelve years ago and they didn't shut it down. The fish returned. I am sick and tired of the knee-jerk reactions of PMFC and the DFG. I went to college with some of these fools and it is downright embarrassing. Get the hell off of Mel's back. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:59 pm: | |
OK Mel go fish your one day ! Give it up man It's closed. Maybe we should focus our efforts on ways to stop them from taking so much water out of the rivers so that the fish we do have left have a realistic chance of making a come back.Closing fishing alone is just going to prolong the inevitable if something is not done to fix the real problem. Lack of Water. Just my opinion I may be wrong. |
bob may (Bodean)
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heres a vidio I found from allcoast
http://www.sheltonproducts.com/MontereySalmonSmall.wmv |
Robert Grillo (Devildog)
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