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Marty C. (Boatdock)
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 6-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 8:31 pm: | |
Jeff, Sorry if I upset you. It wasn't my intention. Just try'n to help. |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 7-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 12:14 pm: | |
This is from another site, but it will affect us
Most of the fall run salmon return data is now available and the news is not good. In 2007, 90,000 fall run fish returned to the Central Valley system to spawn. The fishing season was closed because a minimum of 121,000 returns are needed for the species to survive long term. In 2008, the returns are estimated to be only 60,000 fish, a 23% drop from 2007 and the 2008 fishing season was completely closed.
The Mokelumne salmon hatchery is in deep trouble for 2009. In September and October when the peak of the fall run salmon were trying to reach the hatchery, flows in the Mokelumne River were cut to 20 cfs by a combination of water diversions taken by East Bay Mud the Woodbridge Irrigation District. The result was that less than 250 adult salmon reached the hatchery. This is the second largest hatchery in the state and normally produces 6 million smolts. It also supplies the Tyee club and other key pen projects with smolts. Now it only has 270,000 eggs which will only produce about 154,000 smolts. In 2007, 2.5 million eggs were moved from Nimbus hatchery to Mokelumne.
Fall run salmon returns to the upper Sacramento River and to Coleman hatchery. As of November 16th 14,514 salmon had entered Battle Creek. This compares to 21,000 during the same period last year. The Service believes the total fall run count for 2008 will approximate 60,000 salmon. This is down substantially from the 90,000 returns in 2007 in spite of the fact that the 2008 salmon fishing season was completely closed. As recently as 2002, 780,000 salmon returned to the Central Valley. On the good news side, Coleman hatchery reached its egg goal for production of 12 million fall run smolts. These smolts will be released in April and May of 2009. Jack counts are a good indicator of future run sizes. Unfortunately, only 460 jacks reached Coleman in 2008. There were 450 last year but historically there were thousands returning.
High Powered Panel to Discuss the Salmon and Steelhead Crisis at the Sacramento International Sportsmen’s Show |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Username: Blackie
Post Number: 738
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 8:01 am: | |
Jr and I are selling our 14 or 16 ft mirror craft , 15 hp electric start honda , two downriggers with weights anchors , fish finder great trailer with spare tire.
ALL are in ex condition , we just have to agree on a price ,
Stay tuned |
Paul V. (Dragon) (Paul_vuocolo)
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Username: Paul_vuocolo
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2008
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 6:44 am: | |
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Hope all made it through. I just printed the summary rock fish regs for pt. conception south. Remember its only closed Jan./ Feb. Come march its time for the squid and seabass to show up. along with the three B's and my favorite halibut.I love to fish the Islands, just remember its windy in the spring... I would say less wind than here. Do the boat work now. My new yrs. resolution? Fish More!!! Adios |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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Username: Seaweed
Post Number: 40
Registered: 8-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 7:28 pm: | |
Thanks for setting me straight Marty |
Cory M. P. (Catchem)
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Registered: 1-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 7:16 pm: | |
Lost my old username and password, made this new one. Glad to be back after a couple of years. Going to pick up a 16' skiff this Saturday. Found it on Craigslist. Will be up and running come opening day 2009. |
Marty C. (Boatdock)
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Username: Boatdock
Post Number: 24
Registered: 6-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 6:07 pm: | |
Jeff-
Merc was using Yamaha powerheads until the anti trust suit they filed against each other a couple years ago. Suzuki was building 4-strokes for Evinrude until they went bankrupt in 2001 due to the Ficht motors. I do know that the Boat Doc usually has good end of the year deals on the portable models. Good Fishin
Marty |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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Username: Seaweed
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 5:18 pm: | |
Some Mercs are Suzuki's |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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Username: Seaweed
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2007
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 4:50 pm: | |
Matt Ck with the Boat Doc here in Paso Robles he gave me a great deal on a 15 HP merc . |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Username: Blackie
Post Number: 737
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 4:46 pm: | |
SO JOHN
what are you trying to SAY ?
Been in LAUGHLIN for a week , looks like I missed a lot of BS
Blackie |
john costello (Taurus)
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 1:04 pm: | |
i'd like to tip my hat to the mystery voter...blackie gets 1218 votes...i find that amazing...that's dedication! |
Johnny Grubb (Big_fatty)
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 3-2008
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Votes: 14 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 12:27 pm: | |
Read the sign ---->>> 
I know I'm not the only one who is tired of having to read your posts. Why don't you go fishing and get rid of your frustrations. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Username: Sangria
Post Number: 100
Registered: 4-2007
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Votes: 9 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 11:40 am: | |
To prevent us from leaping for each others throats, please continue to summarize, whenever possible, what factors (including various fishing techniques) have influenced a particular fish's abundance or scarcity. If there are no good studies out there (that you know of) to help us in our posts, post that too. In the absence of scientific studies, we will be left with our personal observations, which on a personal level are very convincing.
Let the feds know what you think...don't think they don't read this board. |
Dave Rymal (Dave_rymal)
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 8-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 10:24 am: | |
Hey Marty, I was just going to mention you,Suzuki and the good job you`ve always done for your customers at the port.
Capt Dave |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Post Number: 99
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Votes: 12 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 9:37 am: | |
With prices from $3.50 upwards of $10.00/lb. for certain species delivered alive, it has become commercially viable to target reefs previously considered "fished out". Targeting small, immature fish not only preempts recreational fishermen and spear fishers, but more importantly puts recovery of hard hit fish populations at serious risk. Several port biologists now report sexually immature fish are the predominant size landed. |
john costello (Taurus)
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Post Number: 164
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 10 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 4:45 am: | |
joe, you're full of it...80% of the nearshore fish allowable catch is allocated recreational harvest...been that way for a long long time..don't buy into the united angler rhetoric |
Joe Phillips (Bumpcity)
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2008
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Votes: 15 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 9:07 pm: | |
My family has been fortunate to have lived here for several generations. My family and friends all fished, it was and is a way of life. As were the families partaking of there catch. Eating fish was just apart of our lives. Never,I repeat ever did anyone ask if our fish could be more petite,or smaller because it was more desireable. Oh by the way, we didn't want them live either unless they were on the end of our lines. We can thank in large part the markets in LA&SF,and anyone who supported these vultures for devouring yet another one of our local resources. I wonder if my scenario is correct? Ask yourself, why aren't the numbers of inshore or shallow water fish in sustainable numbers anymore.If you take the small ones there won't be any big ones,novel idea. The live fishing business won't keep fishing alive. |
Marty C. (Boatdock)
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Username: Boatdock
Post Number: 23
Registered: 6-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 8:53 pm: | |
Hey Matt
We run mostly 4-stroke EFI Suzuki's out here at the harbor. I've got most of the commercial fleet, harbor patrol and water taxi runnin strong since 2000. Pricing is good and availability of six year warranty right now is an option. If interested give me a call and I can give you a quote. 595-7895
-Marty |
B. A. STEWART (Proline231_stella_maris)
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 5:26 pm: | |
Carl that withering foot was only on black abs im pretty sure.man and beast got the reds,IMO.
it wasnt otters or commercial or recreational that got the black abs . they stay almost entirely near the intertidal zones. they never dissapeared here until the dissease got them.
they were on the outside of the psl breakwall, fossil pt, etc even into the 90s, just not in qty.We left them alone, small and tough comparatively. Commercial diving , otter, sport divers and maybe pollution took a toll on reds. but as you probably know a good percentage of reds remained out of reach of divers, living in tight and distant hiding places. I hope those seed abs are still there. slow growing but spawningin qty? they have a chance. I love the northern regs(no scuba take) but 4legged otters keep supplying theSF asian black market somehow. the channel islands population survived a commercial onslaught for decades as well as sport divers by the boatload and still supports a harvestable population in some areas but otters havent yet hit there in big numbers, yet. The bottom gulches of santa rosa reef~90'+/- have no more abs but shells with holes littered the bottom a few years back.
last ab I caught wasnt in my scuba gear but snagged on a rockcod jig,and tossed back. the ab take on central coast above vafb to cambria has been minimal for many years I think,even before the closure. I always wanted to plant farmed abs and try that as a resoration idea. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 2:21 pm: | |
Matt you might want to take a look at the Hondas. They have been making them longer and that is all they make. I had a friend who had nightmares with his brand new Yamaha 4 strokes that came on his Parker. It took months for Yamaha to make it right. I had a Mercury 60 on my last sled that ran like a sewing machine , never gave me a problem but it was a 2 stroke. I love my Honda. |
Matt Whitman (Biteson)
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 2:04 pm: | |
Ive heard alot of good things about the mercury 4strokes I was looking at mercury marine website and the optimax seem alittle intising but im trying to ovoid 2 strokes. anyone have any oppinions on the optimax models? |
Dave Rymal (Dave_rymal)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 8-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 9:57 am: | |
Matt, I have a 60hp merc on my 21ft pontoon. I live at Lake Naci and drive it to work at the main marina. We have 75hp mercs on our rental pontoons, they are about 6 years old and get hammered every day of the season. They get very little maintenance and are real workhorses.
Capt Dave |
Matt Whitman (Biteson)
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 7:31 am: | |
Hey everybody hope everyone had a great xmas and a happy new years tonight.... I need some advice or a few peoples oppinion Im looking to purchase a new outboard my old outboard took a dump on me and i dont want to deal with it anymore. anyway Im looking at a new mercury, Evinrude or Yamaha all are 4 strokes. any good oppinions or bad ones on these motors? I think im leaning towards the mercury but... |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 1:19 am: | |
Regarding abalone, I think the stock of abalone north of golden gate are an example of a well managed stock. One reason is abalone can be found as deep as 90 feet, not a lot folks can dive 90 feet so you always have that stock replinshing the near shore. Many of you may recall the abalone stock in the south was devastated by weathering foot desease. Ive heard talk of reopening some areas, wont belive it till Ill see it. If anyone is looking for a good seal recipe I posted one earlier. Happy new year |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 4-2007
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 9:07 pm: | |
No need to use vulgar language in here sixpack.....just telling it like it is...not like it was during the past 100 yrs....we all know about that. |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 7:07 pm: | |
Greg the fee is not nation wide only coastal federal waters. I bet we pay with our fishing license. another 25.00 that is how they will stop us fishing just make it too expensive. |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 7:04 pm: | |
While we're on the subject here, my kids just brought home a Brad Stine CD "Put a Helmet On" Hilarious . . . and true. Here's a cut from it on utube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXu9V9ggoU It's all good, especially the part on fishing. |
Cracka (Jim_g)
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Post Number: 277
Registered: 3-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 6:47 pm: | |
Matt
Not sure when you want your project boat completed by, but I am going to sell the Honda 130 late next year or early the following...it has only 300 hours and it wont be much....just depends on my finances with the new baby coming
Jim |
matt blackstone (Killer_bs)
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 7-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 5:38 pm: | |
Looking for some advice on a project boat I picked up. It is a 21 foot lund center console with a 115 johnson oceanpro. One of the cylinders is trashed and the head is beat up. I am kicking the idea around of just buying a rebuilt powerhead which will run about 2500 and trying to do the labor myself. anyone here ever swapped a powerhead on an OMC outboard and know what is involved. I know the labor of fixing the old powerhead will likely cost the same as getting a rebuilt one and doing it myself. The boat is going to be a Baja trailer boat so I don't want to have any breakdown issues down there. Any advice is appreciated. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 4:46 pm: | |
Darby by the way that was a nice Mule you got last year. Did you put any venison in the freezer on your last trip? |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 4:33 pm: | |
Yeah Darby I eat plenty of animals and fish as well and think they taste good too! We sure managed the salmon and water resource well! |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 4:24 pm: | |
Isn’t the advantage of being at the top of the food chain that we can manage that resource for our own interests? Just because that’s the way it used to be before we were here doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be. Obviously, I wasn’t born and raised in Monterey.
I love animals, they’re delicious! |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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No tears here. Just telling it like it is. No reason to start shit slinging. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 1:27 pm: | |
Sixpack.....go shed your tears with the libs! |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 8 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 12:36 pm: | |
I am aware that otters and pinnepeds eat an awefull lot of fish and shellfish. I totally agree. I guess the point I am trying to make is that it is humans that have put the planet in the shape it's in. Just look at what we have done to it in the last 100 years. Think about it.100 years, that's only a second when you start thinking about increments of time. We have done a lot of damge to this place in a very short period of time! That's all I am done with this subject. |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Post Number: 344
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 9:28 am: | |
This is from the Bayside marine site. It looks like we may have some squid in close.
Dec. 28
The best numbers for the Squid have been from 36'48/122'02 to 36'50/122'10. The action was hot all day long for Squid.
Dec. 27
The water has finally calmed down and things are looking good. The Humbolt Squid went wide open and anglers are finding them in 400 feet of water. The anglers are catching the Squid 30-45 feet down using Ahi Squid Jigs. The Squid are in the 20-50 pound range! Come enjoy some of this flat weather and great Squid fishing. There have been some good reports of Mackerel in the same area along with some decent crab reports from Davenport. Halibut and Sea bass season is open year round so don't let your boat rot all winter long |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 9:22 am: | |
if you fish in state waters, I think we're safe. But, if you fish for albacore prepare to pay.
does any one fish outside three miles for salmon? |
Nick B (Anglr200)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 8:50 am: | |
It sounds like there is a chance California anglers could be exempt:
"If anglers are not licensed or registered by a state that has been exempted and want to fish in federal waters, they will be required to register with NOAA."
Not sure how to know if CA is exempt?... |
jocelyn jodar (Jocelyn)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 7:41 am: | |
Wonder if CA F&G will let us get by with just a fed permit if we only fish in federal waters .... LOL |
Greg (Littoral)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 7:35 am: | |
"$15 to $25 per angler..."
Crap! $15 to $25 from every angler in the nation? Sounds a bit steep for simple record keeping. |
Joe Phillips (Bumpcity)
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 12:55 am: | |
200 million people vs 2500 otters? Blah, blah, blah. The last State sensus said there were some 38 million people in the California,legally that is. The Last I looked these waters are OUR resource. If these competitors to our fishing grounds were as problematic as say a species that goes unchecked on its take "hey like the otters, sea lions and the like". They should be put under the same scrutiny as law abiding fisherman are. State Regulations are already in place,add-infinitum. Thats where I draw the line, yes black and white. People come first and the pseudo-environmentalist rarely if ever protect the species that that pay there bills. |
Michele (Kidsatsea)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2008 - 10:53 pm: | |
These are not my words, I'm just passing it along. It sounds like we will soon have to purchase federal fishing licenses.
NOAA's Fisheries Service released its final rule today to create a national saltwater angler registry of all marine recreational fishermen to help the nation better protect our shared marine resources. A requirement to establish a registry was included in a statute approved by Congress in 2007.
"Better national surveys of the more than 15 million saltwater anglers will help us demonstrate the important contributions of recreational anglers to both local economies and to the nation’s," said Jim Balsiger, NOAA acting assistant administrator for NOAA’s Fisheries Service. "The registry will help us gather comprehensive data to ensure sustainable fisheries built on the best available science."
The improved quality of recreational fishing data achieved through a national saltwater angler registry will help demonstrate the economic value of saltwater recreational fishing, and will provide a more complete picture of how recreational fishing is affecting fish stocks. This kind of information is essential to NOAA’s goal to end overfishing as required under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. All recreational anglers who fish in federal waters will be required to participate, with some exemptions for those already registered in their states.
The registry is the product of a major recommendation to NOAA in a 2006 independent scientific review by the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences. The NRC found that NOAA needed a comprehensive list of everyone who fishes recreationally in marine waters to improve surveys of saltwater anglers used to help manage and rebuild fish stocks. The NRC recommendation became law in 2007 with the reauthorization of the Magnuson-Stevens Act, the primary federal law that enables NOAA to manage ocean fish stocks.
The final rule requires anglers and spearfishers who fish recreationally in federal ocean waters to be included in the national saltwater angler registry by Jan. 1, 2010.
Beginning January 2009, NOAA will exempt anglers from the federal registration rule if they are licensed in states that have a system to provide complete information on their saltwater anglers to the national registry.
"NOAA wants to work closely with the states and anglers to better capture the contributions and effects of sportfishing," said Balsiger. "We expect that this additional year will allow a number of states to put in place systems to register their anglers annually and provide this information to NOAA."
NOAA had originally proposed that registration be required beginning Jan. 1, 2009, but based on public input decided to give states another year to put in place their own data collection systems.
If anglers are not licensed or registered by a state that has been exempted and want to fish in federal waters, they will be required to register with NOAA. They must also register if they fish in tidal waters for migratory fish such as striped bass and salmon that spawn in rivers and spend their adult lives in estuaries and oceans. However, those who fish recreationally for these migratory species inland of tidal waters need not register, according to the final rule.
Federal saltwater angler registrations will include an angler’s name, date of birth, address, telephone number, and the regions where they intend to fish. This information will be used by NOAA to conduct surveys on fishing effort and amounts of fish caught. Once anglers have registered, they may fish anywhere in U.S. federal waters, or in tidal waters for anadromous species, regardless of the region or regions they specified in their registration. The registration will be valid for one year from its date of issue. Anglers must comply with applicable state licensing requirements when fishing in state waters.
Saltwater anglers will be able to register online or by calling a toll-free telephone number that will be publicized, and will receive a registration certificate. Anglers will need to carry this certificate (or their state license from an exempt state) and produce it to an authorized enforcement officer if requested. No fee will be charged in 2010. An estimated fee of $15 to $25 per angler will be charged starting in 2011.
Anglers who fish only on licensed party, charter, or guide boats would not be required to register with NOAA since these vessels are surveyed separately from angler surveys. Those who hold angler permits to fish for highly migratory species, such as tunas or swordfish, and those fishing under commercial fishing licenses will also be exempt. Anglers registered or permitted to fish in a formal state or federal subsistence fishery will also be exempt, as will anglers under 16.
NOAA received nearly 500 comments from anglers, state officials, and fishing and environmental organizations on its proposed national registry rule during the comment period from June 12 until Aug. 21. The registry is one component of the agency's new Marine Recreational Information Program, an initiative to enhance data collection on recreational catch and effort.
To read the final registry rule and other information about the Marine Recreational Information Program, go to: http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov
NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources. Visit http://www.noaa.gov.
On the Web: NOAA’s Fisheries Service: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2008 - 9:26 pm: | |
Jack we have upset the food chain, in the 70's by all of the shark killing back then.At one time otters were considered gone here in california. Until there was a group found here on the central coast. I have watched otters feed they eat one shell fish and dive right back for another, one right after another. We aren't saying it is just otters depleting shellfish. But with out anyway to control the population of seals, sea lions, elephant seals and otters. We can kiss the fishing and shellfish good bye until starvation of those animals. From their own feeding will the balance ever come back. Sorry but that is how evolution works. Everything goes thru cycles EVEN OUR WEATHER. So the sooner they starve the sooner our fishing will improve. Just hope they starve soon or feds plus fish and game allow us to hunt seals to control the population. Maybe we need a neuter and spay program for those animals. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2008 - 9:14 pm: | |
Sorry I had some of my info wrong. There were over 16000 otters in their hay day in the 1800's. We killed all but 100 of them by the early 1900's. I wonder if using the ocean for a garbage can and a sewer has anything to do with it? Maybe the otters are eating the salmon too! Probably ran the albacore off this year as well!Come on get a clue. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2008 - 8:05 pm: | |
Yeah Dave I was born and raised in Monterey where there are more otters than down where you are. I have been fishing since I could walk. I am not saying that they don't east their fair share. Sort of funny before the planet got over populated with humans that there was plenty of shellfish for the otters and the humans. Now there are a lot less otters and there is still not enough shell fish to go around. Not sure how many otters were around in the early 1900's but I would guess 10,000 or more compared to today there is a little over 3000 total on the coast of California Halfmoon Bay to Santa Barbara. 70% less otters 100% more humans! Hmmmm? Oh yeah, in case your wondering I am 50 so I have been around for awhile. |
B. A. STEWART (Proline231_stella_maris)
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Even "fish hugging" marine biologist and fish book writer. Milton Love of UCSB has a strong opinion on the Otters and their food habits.
Commercial and sport did put a dent in Abalone
but otters were the Icing on the cake from San Simeon to Conception . Clams were more likely decimated by a combinatin of otters and natural forces like currents.temperature +maybe storm runoff but otters are the common smoking gun in most dissapearances like crab/clam/ab/urchin etc.
There is no " general clam closure" because it would do nothing/zero/zip to help and they are capable of coming back. after the 1978 vanish they "came back" in the early 90s for a few years until vanishing again in 1 winter.
But face it, Otters are "Cute" and that is their best defense against scientific management or any managemant,. whoever says there are only 2500 needs a more recent count or a better count method I think. There are 100+ more pups withing a few miles of psl.
As for sea lions, white sharks are not going to be looking far for food. There are so many of them compared to the 60s and 70s and they eat Fish. otters eat the rest. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Otter energy is fueled by a voracious appetite: an adult can eat 20 pounds or more of shellfish meat a day.
Human harvest is regulated by size limits, season and gear restrictions, even male or female of the species. Sea otters don't observe these rules; they take every shellfish they can catch.
Anyone born and raised here and fishing as long as I have...knows where the truth lies. |
harley boos (Saltydoc)
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I moved to the central coast to go to Cal Poly in 1972. I used to dive for abalone. I remember diving in the big cove at Montana de Oro. The water was very clear that day. There were hundreds of abalone shells on the bottom with a hole in the center. WE all know what caused that. There has been some rumors that the original colony of otters came from a transplantation from Alaska. It was supposed to be a secret. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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€ California Fish and Game biologists recorded the drastic reduction of abalone and sea urchins on the central coast following recolonization by otters. They also noted a marked decline in shellfish-eating fish such as cabezon. Abalone and sea urchin fisheries on the central coast ended in the early 1970s.
€ Biologists documented the rapid decline of Pismo clams from Pismo Beach following colonization by otters, precluding a recreational fishery.
€ Sea otter emigration to Little Cojo Bay, in the management zone, eliminated virtually all harvestable shellfish after just two months. and the list goes on....want to see more?...talking responsibility? I am thinking! |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Less than 10% of the population are commercial or sport fishermen...most of us fish weekends...weather permiting... under strict regulations...Sorry! I wont take the blame for the depletion of any species of marine life.
After wiping out our clam beds and abalone...they headed south...ask any commercial urchin fisherman from Santa Barbara about otters. |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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I agree about the Sealions being destructive and over populated, but when you go to blaming the otters for the depletion of crab, abalone and urchins I think you blame is misplaced and beleive me I am no otter lover or anything. I would love to have an otter hat. But come on with 2500 or so otters on the whole coast of California I think the 200 plus millon humans in the U.S.have had a much heavier inpact on these resource's. Let's take some responsibility it! Just my opinion! Think about it! |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Trevor....the single stars...coming from someone without enough spine to state their opinion in here? |
David Martines (Sangria)
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PETA's Jay Kelly speaks up for the fish in PETA's new radio ad. "Fishing is just as cruel as beating a puppy," says Kelly. "While fish may not be cute and cuddly like puppies, they certainly suffer as much. You like puppies, don't you?"
WHO IS FORMING THE HATE GROUPS HERE? |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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We can do that? |
Trevor (Flatfish)
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David. You should join them and become their president...infiltrate. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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We need an effort to move away from our current regime of managing single species to what's called ecosystem-based management. The concept makes sense. But we can never get there if our hands remain tied by the Marine Mammal Protection Act, which makes it almost impossible to address the overpopulation of seals and sea lions. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Prized for their luxurious fur, sea otters were hunted to near extinction by the early 1900s throughout their range around the Pacific Rim, from Russia across the Aleutian Island chain and Alaska down the west coast to California. In 1938, wildlife biologists discovered a small colony of sea otters off Big Sur in central California. Through subsequent decades, as sea otters recolonized the central California coast from Monterey to Morro Bay and beyond, they devoured shellfish resources, eliminating local fisheries for such species as abalone, sea urchins and Pismo clams. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Things were working ok before the %#$%@#$%MPA thing came into play to do nothing more than cause friction in the whole fishing industry... I beleive something should be done about the over population of seals and sea lions eating up our food chain and sinking our boats..not to mention the otters have eaten every crab and clam in our bays and beyond.....you wonder what they are eating now! But you won't hear that from the people behind the mpas. |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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And with the budget as it is, the dfg is getting cut back by 20% staff at least, and what do you bet it's not the old farts who came up with the is whole %#$%@#$%MPA thing! I say, privatize the whole thing and fire the ones who don't do sh*t!
I know if I spent more money than I had coming in, I'd lose the house. But these damn DFGers can't get fired!!! |
David Martines (Sangria)
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5 stars for you Darby...coudn't have hit more nails on the head in one paragraph! |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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Dave - Uh, yeah ...
Here's another great MPA story. I just got a certified letter minutes ago from the University Research Foundation that all funding to study the mpa’s has been cut off by executive order of the governator. One of their (the Arnie and his wife included) whole excuses for mpa’s was to create study areas to see what the ocean would be like with no fishermen. When they were busy shoving these down our throats we were trying to reason with them that the state just doesn't have the money to enforce, monitor and study mpa's and take over management from the Feds. We wanted to make sure studies happened because if mpa’s do what they swore up and down they would do certainly all fishermen would support and respect them. But if they didn't then we could eliminate them. Some of the most recognized marine biologists in the world came and spoke at the commission meeting and said our mpa’s won’t work like we were being told. Our trips so far this year have shown better quality and quantity outside the reserves. The biologists are still scratching their butts over that one. Well how convenient now that they have run out of money to monitor and study their new creations. THAT AREN’T WORKING! |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Darby....wear a red arm band with swastika....you more than likely won't get arrested. |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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Don't know if anyone noticed but Bush signed an executive order that requires sportfishing be allowed in all federal marine preserves. Doesn't help us at all unless the state follows suit in state waters. However the PFMC plan has been to extend our state mpa's into federal waters once all the state mpa's are established. That will really help Southern CA but doesn't do much for us since most everything past 3 miles around here is more than 40 fathoms or in the RCA. Which brings up an interesting question. Is the RCA a federal reserve since it is in federal waters? Mel?
Though, I think Obabma can simply sign another eo reversing Bush. His people have already started more gun control stuff. ie. serial coded ammo that would make my custom hunting hanloads a federal offense! Get ready for some more communism boys. (I appreciate being able to say this without fearing arrest but I bet we live to see that change too.) |
Jeff Horton (Seaweed)
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wow miss a couple days here and a lot of B.S. happened. I guess be careful what you ask here. Any way Merry CHRISTMAS. Or what ever you believe in. |
Mike Moore (Legacy) (Moorefish)
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Been living the MLPA closure dream down this end for some time now. Someday, we'll all be talking about catching slug albies within 20-miles of the Rock. Merry X-mas and happy holidays gang.
~ <;///>-( |
john costello (Taurus)
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mike, you just don't get it...it's not about who is to get the blame for the closures...it's about choosing a side in a very real fight..webb chose the wrong side and used the clubs name in doing it..the other members sat by and let him do it..to me, that's picking a side as well. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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YEA you guys are all right
I CONCEDE
WEBB is such a powerfull man that he and the CAMBRIA FISHING CLUB were the reason the State of California DFG has closed all the areas.
I think this has been beat on enough , If you read any of the post from the guys north they are getting the same shi- do you think webb is there also , get real.
HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS |
David Martines (Sangria)
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All kidding aside...no doubt about it...the kids are our future! and Michell's hard work with her Kids at Sea Program is the the best thing going...so when you feel down and out and out numbered....TAKE A KID FISHING! |
Trevor (Flatfish)
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...this coming from Darby. |
Darby Neil (Darby)
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The Cambria Fishing Club is as much to blame as Jim Web. They stood by for nearly two years while their president used his position to promote his own agenda on marine preserves and eventually the private interest funded MPA railroad job.(Funds that corrupted the state process and were only released as the process progressed in their favor just to be sure.) The entire time Mr Webb publicly represented himself as president of the Cambria Fishing Club stating that he and the club wholeheartedly supported that process. I wrote a letter to the club explaining that since they had not replaced Jim Webb that I could only assume it was true and Virg's could no longer support the club as long as Jim Webb continued to use his platform against us. Therefore revoking their exclusive, 1/2 off fishing deal with Virg's. They would have to pay full price like every one else. Even then, it was over another year before Jim was replaced. Yes, officers change too but this state recently impeached a governor in less time! Certainly not all members supported him but I don’t think that many members have changed either.
As many have said, “Evil triumphs when good men stand by and do nothing.” So I ask then, are they good fishermen?
The Cambria Fishing Club sold us out. Live with it. You have no choice. |
David Martines (Sangria)
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Unloads my weapon and lays it down...there!...now we can be friends again.....until the next round! |
Michele (Kidsatsea)
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Jerald,
The taking has already been took...until the next round. |
Michele (Kidsatsea)
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Dave, you are right, I wasn't there then. I have only gone to a few meetings since Clay has been president and I am only judging them by what I have seen personally, not by what other people have experienced. |
john costello (Taurus)
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so....webb is a member of the club but doesn't speak for the club, he speaks for himself...interesting
i guess the big question is...why the fk would a person want to be in a small social club in which webb was a member?...he clearly is not a friend of fishing...remember, you are judged by the company you keep |
Johnny Grubb (Big_fatty)
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Is is Santa, Oh! No! No! its the Whambulance!
Get over it! |
