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Mike (Ophiodon)
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Registered: 7-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 1:48 pm: | |
Is Patriot Sportfishing out of business???? Heard a nasty rumor. |
bodean (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 12:47 pm: | |
Im game for a buyout program that would pay for all my future income that i would make in the time i have left on this earth catching live fish. especailly if I could still fish other fisheries, but that would take a fat wallet.
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Guest (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 11:18 am: | |
It looks like I rattled some chains, with my recent input about the unfairness or the regs regarding the live fisherman. Even though I am upset with the guy who was making fun of me the other day, while I was sitting on a rock, trying to catch a perch or eel, while he was out there taking rockfish in water depth that I will not be able to even fish in. Then, when he landed, he offered me some dead fish. When I declined he through them in the bushes commenting on the fact that they were not worth much dead.
I don't know about the guy who is making television adds which WILL contribute to the demise of our fishing rights, but you can look at the list of people he list as people in support of the project, and see that they are the same liberal showbusiness people that jump on all environmental issues.
The sad fact is, that the entertainment industry has such power. There are many people in that industry that love to fish, and are well respected. Whether they would help in an effort to keep the fishing open, I don't know.
I don't believe moving political comment to another site is necessarily a good move. This is where the fisherman look, even though a great number of fisherman do not comment. This is understandable since some of the people that view this site only have the mentality to threaten bodily harm or property damage if they do not agree with a particular view or posting.
I have been fishing in a 13 foot skiff off of this coast, for longer than most of you are old, and I have firsthand knowledge of what has happened to cause the alarm about declining inshore fish stocks.
I am steadfast against the livefishing that has devistated the rock fish, starting in southern areas and progessing up the coast as those areas become barren. I have witnessed repeatedly, the hundreds of pounds of rockfish being dumped in ravines, that died on the way to the market. I have heard the live fisherman boast about the fact that the buyers of the rockfish report lower counts, which raises the amount they can catch while lower the income tax for both the fisherman and the buyers.
Anyone that has fished inshore for the last 40 years has experienced the massive decline of large rockfish on the central coast.
I have recently been ask to meet personally with the new Commissioner of the F+G to enlighten him on the situation concerning the rockfish and the waste.
I have not accepted this invitation as of the present, for I doubt the result would be of any value. The problem we are having is due primarily with the demand for the live fish. I doubt many of you can afford $150 for a 4.5lb. fish, just so you can eat it raw, or see it cooked in front of you, or so you can eat it's genitals in belief that it enhances your sex drive. The sad truth is that there is a powerful few that can afford this, and they do not live on the central coast. Some of them are the very entertainers that are working for the anti-right -to- fish movement. Even if legislation is passed to stop any fish from being harvested while still alive, there is a huge underground blackmarket that will likely continue to flourish.
I will probably attend the meeting with the Commissioner, and am truly open to any ideas that I might bring forth. It would be good if I could be up front with my identity, but I have seen the responses of some of the people that frequent this page.
Stopping the taking of live fish will not necessarily be a bad thing for the livefisherman. There has been talk of paying him for his loses in advance. That is, paying him for all the live fish he would take in his working lifetime. Such and investment may be worthwhile and would curb the devestation at it's source. And he could still fish.
Like I said, if any of you have an idea, express it. Maybe I can get it across.
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Gary (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 9:41 pm: | |
Bob, never mind, I see the problem. It's the dayling savings time. Thanks |
Gary (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 9:39 pm: | |
Hey Bob Hather, Is there something wrong with the clock on the forum? I keep seeing an error in the posting time of new posts. Looks like the forum is logging the posting time into the future slightly. I looked at the last post at 9:28 pm from John Costello and his posting time showed 9:51 pm. No big deal, just wondering. I'm sending this post at 9:39 pm |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 8:51 pm: | |
mel,
glad to see that you looked in on the site...too bad all those "decent, loving women and children" had to see that for months...i suggest you make sure all of your own ducks are in a row next time before you decide to publicly chastise me for "stooping to his level" ...no sweat, i thought it was both humorous and ironic...john |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 4:46 pm: | |
Friends: Go to RightToFish.com and see the 15 photos from the photo album.... just loaded them up.
If you have good photos of CCFCC members or good fishing photos ... send them to me and I might put them in the photo album....
Mel. |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Registered: 1-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:38 pm: | |
Mel - I sent you an e-mail, please let me know if you don't get it. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Username: Righttofish
Post Number: 92
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:23 pm: | |
Friends:
Okay, I have cleaned up the chat-board at
RightToFish.com
This coming week I will start working with Bob Hather on how to route people interested in fish-politics issues over to the RightToFish.com web site. I invite all of your to visit our web site. I have remodeled it ... and will be putting in more "Political News & Updates" info ... and putting some photographs in the photo album
Mel.
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 8:22 am: | |
Randy,
I am not sure what e-mail address you are contacting. The correct one is
mr.mel@sbcglobal.net
Mel. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 8:20 am: | |
John Costello:
Hey, you are right about the "weeds" in the RightToFish.com chat board. I have contacted my administrator with a request that the garbage entries be deleted. Give me a few days and we'll have the chat board cleaned up ... and ready to go. Bob Hather and I have been talking about how to route people looking at this web site over to the political chat board at RightToFish.com when something interesting is in the works. I'll keep posting here until we get that site ready to rock n roll.
Mel. |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 7:35 am: | |
so much for the righttofish.com discussion board...looks like the garden hasn't been tended in months and the weeds have taken over...unless you are in the market for a ukranian escort or the latest scam, don't bother |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 6:12 am: | |
everybody....mel is right and i apologise for my outburst...i should express myself without the trash language...this michael moore wannabe just got under my skin, thats the only excuse i have.
lives and livelyhoods are being directly affected by the lies this man promotes in the name of "entertainment"....sure he would like to talk with the other side, a prostitute is always looking for another 'john'...(pun intended)....john |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Registered: 1-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:53 am: | |
Hey Mel -
I tried to e-mail you yesterday, but the e-mail came back twice. Yes, I would like very much to talk directly with you. I definitely understand your complaints about not being able to get your press releases published. A lot of that is because the public just doesn't perceive the issue as being important enough.
Please send me an e-mail at info@shiftingbaselines.org and let me know a number to call you at and a time. I would appreciate the chance to talk.
And as for all of you guys, it would have been really easy for me to hide behind the 22 partner groups in Shifting Baselines and say they came up with the PSA and I just did it for them, but I'm not. The PSA does not endorse MPAs, it only poses the question of "Do they work?"
And I appreciate the comments on adding materials to the CON web page. We'll work on it next week. It's certainly not perfect, but have you ever seen an environmental organization try to offer up the case against' MPAs? Its a complicated debate and that's what were trying to show the public.
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Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:07 pm: | |
Wow, walk away from the computer for a few days and along comes Randy...
The best way to deal with him is to ignore him. And the best way to deal with "shiftingbaselines.org" is to look at all their Hollywood supporters and corporate sponsors, and to never ever again pay money to see their movies or buy their products. I won't. Simple. Tell them what you think with your wallet. I never liked Ted Dancin anyway.
Mel: I'll hopefully see you at the Fred Hall show next weekend. I'll be at the RFA Board meeting.
Eric Endersby |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 9-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:04 pm: | |
Hey Friends:
Need to mention something new. I am sure that Bob Hather (who is the administrator of this web site) would like to keep this site mainly for true fishing issues and would like the political "chat" to switch over to RightToFish.com. In that regard, we are upgrading the RightToFish.com web site and should be ready soon to get that rockin and rollin.
Bob Hather is on the CCFCC Board of Directors and is working with me on getting the CCFCC web site rolling smoothly. Take a visit to our site at
RightToFish.com
The chat board has been rather inactive and I have not posted political stuff lately, but that is coming. I am hopeful that the RightToFish.com site will become the central chat board for political chat ... I will keep you posted on our efforts.
Mel. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:55 pm: | |
Randy:
Well...its just like I thought. You're just a whore for the environmental groups. You're not interested in "healthy oceans" ... you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You just get paid money (like any other whore) and put your stinking garbage on the television ... then walk away thinking you have done something worthwhile.
You are not worth us wasting our time with. We invited you to meet with us ... and then you refuse; showing us your true colors ... you're just another environmentalist lackey.
You are right in only one point. We need to fight the sewer-dwellers like you just like any other vermin: fight fire with fire. You have not heard the last of us. You will pass on to some other "trick" ... but we will be around forever ... and truth will prevail over sleeze like you and your ilk.
Hey John Costello: As much as Randy may deserve you "gutter language", let's stay above his level and keep the language acceptable. There are decent, loving women and children who read this site regularly. Let us not stoop to the level of this adversary.
Hey Freddie: Good to see that you are monitoring our web site. Good work! We need intelligent, articulate guys like you keeping the wackos in line... good stuff. I'll see you at the Fred Hall show in SF later this week....
Mel. |
Badger (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:29 pm: | |
Easy Big Guy,
Exposure is exactly what the public needs, Exposure of the FRAUD and his ilk is not a bad thing.
Jimbo |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 7:22 pm: | |
giving this fucking nutjob an audience is a mistake...he obviously subscribes to the "any publicity is good publicity" motto..lets face it,.the 'best availible science' wording bit all of us in the rear but at least it will keep this kind of moron from dictating regulation...an educated guess says all this guy is interested in is filming a train wreck and profiting from it...to hell with him...john |
Freddie (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 6:44 pm: | |
Randy Olsen: went to your website to check out the Pro and Con on MPAs (reserves is what you mean). For CON you feature rec groups, for the Pro, Governments, agencies, national Oceans and Pew reports. Where are quotes from marine scientists like Ray Hilborn, Robt. Shipp, NOAA Fisheries Ralston, etc. on their reservations about MPAS versus traditional management? You call that fair, you call that creating communication? How about posting up Shipps article on Management Versus Reserves. I'll attach it for you. |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Registered: 1-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 6:16 pm: | |
Sorry, but not talking out of both sides. Our slide show says very clearly, "no one is against fishing." But we are against ocean decline. Pretty straight forward. |
Badger (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 5:54 pm: | |
Shifting Baseline Partners - Talking out of both sides, Randy, your concern is laughable.
http://www.shiftingbaselines.org/partners/index.html |
Badger (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 5:41 pm: | |
Randy, you are full of it!!! What businessmen? More like Oceana through Packard - Ted Dansen? Please!!! So it's ok to lie and mislead, You guys are as bad as Peta.
Thats what need to be communicated to the public.
You are a wolf in sheep clothes.
Name the businessman, Are you chapter C? |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 5:28 pm: | |
Okay, Melvin, gotcha on all that. I just spent an hour on the phone with a commercial fisherman from the Central Cal. coast who gave me a good ear full of all this, and was a really good sport about it. I enjoyed it. He pretty much told this same story of the boccacio, thought in less detail -- basically, "one year they told us there's none left, the next year they said actually there's lots."
I enjoy talking with fishermen as they are the ones with the real stories from the real world.
But as for the commercial, it is indeed a sad illustration of what our society has fallen to, and supports exactly what you're talking about -- having the hard cold facts is no longer enough to get the media (particularly television) to take an interest.
The media have turned into entertainment arenas. That's probably the biggest and most important point I can convey to you. It is indeed sad. All you have to do is look at all of the serious journalists and authors desperately trying to appear on Comedy Central's Daily Show -- a show that openly admits they are fake news. This isn't a joke, its a serious dilemma. The public has had enough of hard news, they want entertainment.
So you think there's a bias in the media towards environmentalism? I think you're probably right. But I can tell you there is a MUCH bigger bias towards entertainment. If you can figure out how to package your message in a manner that people want to see (which granted is very frustrating), you will find the media running with it whether you want them to or not.
I'm really interested to talk with you guys about this. I have two main interests -- healthy (and not necessarily pristine) oceans and effective communication.
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Post Number: 87
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 4:52 pm: | |
Randy:
Your explanation for how these slanted/biased spots get on television shows the biased slant of all the media, both television and print. We send factual presentations and data to newspapers and it is NEVER PRINTED IN PAPERS OR AIRED ON TELEVISION! The environmentalists can send any type of garbage they want to the media and it gets printed in every newspaper in the state or aired on television.
Randy, here is an example. In May of 2002, NOAA released the report of Dr. Alec McCall about the bocaccio fish-stock survey. Based on two and three year-old data, McCall reported that the bocaccio was severely "overfished" and that all deep waters from 20-150 fathoms should be closed to all bottom fishing. McCall's report was accepted after peer review by the PFMC in June of 2002. Starting on July 1, 2002, the PFMC closed down all bottom fishing from 20 fathoms to 150 fathoms from the Mexican border to the Canadian border. This became the biggest MPA in the world! It remains the biggest MPA in the world. EVERY PAPER IN THE COUNTRY HAD BIG HEADLINES TRUMPETING THAT ROCKFISH WERE IN DECLINE AND THE BOCACCIO WOULD BE IN REBUILDING FOR 99 YEARS!
HOWEVER, many fishermen testified before the PFMC saying that the McCall report must be erroneous. So many people testified the bocaccio were healthy and plentiful that the PFMC board noted that the McCall report seemed to contradicted by all the anecdotal observations. So, (and I give the PFMC credit for this), the PFMC asked Dr. McCall to update his report with new data and evidence to be collected in the following year. I was personally present in Santa Cruz in March of 2003 at the NOAA offices when Dr. McCall presented his new bocaccio fish-stock survey data. Steve Moore of Patriot Sportfishing was there with me to see what Dr. McCall had to say. I read through the report before the star-panel peer review session started. I then talked to Dr. McCall before he made his presentation. Incidentally, THIS WAS A PUBLIC FORUM. I told Dr. McCall that it appeared to me that his new 2003 report was quite different than his report that caused the closing of deep-water fisheries from Mexico to Canada. He agreed. He said he was shocked to find a huge increase in bocaccio recruitment. He said that it was a real embarrassment to him. He said that he was very sorry that his 2002 report had harmed so many peoples lives by closing down fishing along the west coast. He said that he would recommend to the PFMC that they have an EMERGENCY RE-OPENING OF THE DEEP WATERS ON JULY 1st, 2003 for both recreational and commercial fishing.
I compliment Dr. McCall for being true to his word. His new bocaccio fish-stock survey was accepted by the PFMC .... showing that the bocaccio was much more healthy than earlier reported. He did recommend the re-opening at the June 2003 meeting of the PFMC.
NOW HERE COMES THE HORRIBLE PART ..... ARE YOU READY .... I sent detailed reports of these public reports and meetings and findings to local papers .... AND NOT A SINGLE WORD WAS REPORTED OF THESE FINDINGS IN ANY NEWSPAPER IN THE STATE (except for some fishing related magazines and newspapers). Here was the same Doctor presenting a report that showed the bocaccio to be healthy and thriving (contrary to the report that was noted in every newspaper in the state one year earlier) ... and no newspapers would print this information. I even got a writer for a local newspaper to do a story on this new report .... and his editorial staff nixed the story.
Let me add to this horror story: I talked to some people at the federal level before the June meeting of the PFMC and asked if it was likely that the feds would follow McCall's advice and open up the deep waters from 20-150 fathoms. He said "no-way". He said that the feds would have too much "egg on their face" for their mistake of 2002. Instead, they would find some other reason to keep the deeper waters closed. SURE ENOUGH ... At the June meeting of the PFMC, after accepting Dr. McCalls report and hearing his recommendation to open the federal waters ... the PFMC quickly found another "poster-child fish" ... the canary rockfish. When fishermen present testified that the canary rockfish was doing fine and they wanted to have another fish-stock survey on the canary rockfish right away (because it would reveal that the canary is also doing fine) the feds decided not to make the same mistake as they made with bocaccio. They refused to order a new fish-stock survey on the canary rock fish and said they would wait until 2007 for that report to be completed. So, there you have it. We get screwed again by the system.
Randy, when you talk about communication, it is a one-way street. Only the environmental groups have the ear of the media. The public is duped by claims that our nearshore fishery is in dire staits ... overfished.
THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE! I have been fishing all along the Central Coast from Pt. Conceptcion to Piedras Blancas for 30 years. This last year (2004) was the very best fishing I have seen in the entire 30 years. I have never caught so many huge red rock cod, ling cod and blues. The fishing is so good that we have to devise fishing techniques and tackle to keep smaller fish off our lines because they are so bothersome and plentiful.
Randy, on your "website" you have a "team" that includes Dr. Jeremy Johnson and Dr. Paul Dayton. They both talk about not being able to find any rockfish, claims that the kelp beds are like a "ghost-town". Where are they looking? They obviously have not been anywhere along the Central Coast. Or is this the usual "HYPE" to promote the website? Bring these boys up here anytime and we'll show you a fishery thriving like never before.
Randy, if you are truly "neutral" as you try to imply, why don't you meet with me and some of the Board of Directors of the Central Coast Fisheries Conservation Coalition (CCFCC) ... and we will show you the data and evidence that our Central Coast fisheries are very healthy and thriving.
If you knew the truth, you would be outraged by the absurd and ridiculous suggestions from your own commercial. You would yank that garbage off the air immediately. It does a horrible injustice and feeds mis-information to the public.
If you are interested in the truth in the slightest ... you will agree to meet with us and consider our position.
Melvin de la Motte, Jr.
President of the CCFCC |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 2:57 pm: | |
Yes, businessmen. The Ocean Conservancy provided the initial funding two years ago, but stopped after they realized the purpose of the project is to be an independent voice and they have no control.
I'll offer up a question for you -- why do you think this commercial is getting so much free air time (none of the air time is paid for, we have a distributor that sends it to stations and they decide whether they want to include it in their weekly time alloted for free airing of public service announcements)?
Since last fall its been airing on Outdoor Life Network, National Geographic Channel, CNN International and a lot of local tv stations.
The point of this is that no one at any of those places sees it as the least bit controversial. Which illustrates they have no idea that plans are in the works for systems of MPAs, some of which will prohibit all fishing.
If I were a fishermen I'd be concerned about that, and wanting to do more to inform the public of this issue. |
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Business men huh?
"My duel background is now coming together in the Shifting Baselines Media Campaign for ocean conservation which I am directing. This is a project sponsored by all the major ocean conservation groups to bring together the communications resources of Hollywood with the message of ocean decline. This fall we will release our Public Service Announcement for television in which 20 actors, including Ted Danson, Jack Black, Madeleine Stowe, Henry Winkler, and Tom Arnold, create a horribly bad symphony as a metaphor of our damaged oceans". |
slightly irritated (Unregistered Guest)
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buisnessmen who?, prevail over what? enough regulation is enough much less input from some bozo from LA.
film maker? |
Randy Olson (Randy_olson)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:42 am: | |
Greetings Fishermen -
I'm the guy most responsible for the "Tiny Fish PSA" you've been seeing. I wrote, directed and arranged distribution for it. And I did it for one main reason -- because I've been listening to ocean conservationists talk about the need for MPAs, but finding that virtually no one in the general public has any clue about this issue, and it feels like its a "solution" that is being devised for a problem that has not been clearly identified.
Yes, it's definitely exaggerated. You have to do that to gain attention. Obviously it worked with you folks. And please don't give any credit to Pew or Packard, they haven't played any part in this.
Instead, the support has come from a group of businessmen who are tired of the lack of efffective communication between the two sides of the issue of MPAs.
I personally am not advocating or opposing MPAs, only trying to improve communication. If you listen closely to the wording of the commercial you'll hear it says, regarding MPAs, "do they work? To find out, vist ..."
Then when you go to our website there is a large button for MPAs which leads to a button for DO THEY WORK? which has separate pages for PRO and CON. I've taken a lot of heat from our partner groups for the CON button which lists all the web resources we could find that argue against MPAs.
The main point is there is a need for more effective communication. And you guys are absolutely right that you need to respond with your own powerful communications effort. There were three other fishermen boards last week discussing all this and I recommended the same to them and we are now talking about the idea of a possible PSA that could help communicate the distinction between commercial and rec fishing impacts. I have no qualms about lending my experience and suggestions to such an effort.
Sorry this stuff is somewhat imprecise, but the PSA is at least helping to get a larger part of the general public interested in the issue, and if you can get them on your side then you can eventually prevail.
- Randy Olson
Director, Shifting Baselines Ocean Media Project
www.shiftingbaselines.org |
stacey m (Unregistered Guest)
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Mel,
I watched the commercial tonight. The sponsor's website is
http://www.shiftingbaselines.org/
It smells like PEW to me.
later, Stacey |
Steve Prevel (Shaka)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 5:44 pm: | |
I saw the same anti-fishing tripe(commercial) on Fox 11(Santa Maria station) about 7:00 PM last night. We need to pool the resources and get a commercial on the air that tells the truth about the fishing here on the Central Coast before the Enviros BS everyone into believing that we have no fish! |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 3:03 pm: | |
Fiends:
Okay, I am sure that many of you are wondering what you can do to improve the "fishing situation". Here is a simple task that can have a big impact. Let me give you a little history.
The Fish and Game Commission is very powerful when it comes to making fishing regulations and policy. For years they have been puppets of environmental groups and gutless in dealing with their federal counterparts (The PFMC). Finally, we got rid of a few of the turkeys and have gotten a better mix. We still have Bob Hattoy who is terrible, but that's life.
Governor Schwartzenegger has appointed Marilyn Hendrickson to the Commission. She is very intelligent, articulate ... and a friend of hunters and fishermen (can you believe it?)
The NRDC (a left wing anti-fishing group) is mounting an effort to block her confirmation in the state Senate.
It would be good if we sent letter en masse to the committee considering her confirmation. Please send your letter to the following address:
The Honorable Don Perata, Chair
Senate Committee on Rules
State Capitol, Room 205
Sacramento, CA 95814
In simple, stright-forward language, urge the committee to confirm her appointment. This would give the Commission a better balance for all of us. Attached is the CCFCC letter to Senator Perata.
Mel.
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Plan B ... get me more info on this if you can. Who sponsored it. Call KEYT and find out if you can ... and get back to me. We cannot tolerate this crap ... although it goes on all the time.
Its just like that news release that was printed in many newspapers around the country suggesting that west-coast recreational fishermen catch 59% of the species of fish that were designated as "overfished". This was supposedly a scientific study by a marine biologist from Florida State University.
I had a friend get me a copy of the study. The study makes no such claim. The study concedes that they had poor information from the West coast because the Federal Government for many years has not gathered data by INDIVIDUAL SPECIES of sport-caught fish. More recently they have been trying to keep this data, but you know the unreliability of MRFSS data. The report says that in 2002 recreational fishermen caught 59% of the boccacio off the west coast. Well, let's remember that 2002 was the year when the federal government closed all fishing beyond 20 fathoms out to 150 fathoms starting on July 1, 2002. So the commercial fishing for bocaccio was completely banned, while recreational fishing was allowed to continue inside 20 fathoms for the rest of 2002. Also, most of my commercial fishing friends have said that commercials had stopped targeting boccacio long before 2002 because they do not have a good market price and too often have worms.
So, this is how the media operates. They take one year which is totally an anomaly (2002) and then they lie by saying that it was a 20-year plus conclusion (when the statistic only applies to a single year) ... and trumpets this report as suggesting that recreational fishermen are a threat to the species that are "overfished." The study does relate to over 20 years ... but that only relates to the east coast and the gulf coast. They did not have data by species for the west coast. That is how the media works.
Mel. |
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mel- i saw that commercial last night between 7:30 and 8:00 pm on channel 3 keyt/santa barbara.
actually it took a minute for me to realize what i was watching. basically a dfg guy was checking a guys stringer of fish (a bunch of 2-3 inch shad type baits hanging off a chain trout stringer)saying those were the biggest fish he's seen in a long time. so over the top! then it goes on and shows pics of marlin, yes marlin, that the dfg guy says they used to catch but don't anymore.
it was very bizarre. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Badger: Thanks for the support. The first target of the enviros is the Central Coast. You are right, they think we are easy pickings because we have less population and less clout. We have a wonderful, healthy fishery and they will claim they are just "preserving it" by not allowing any more fishing in this area. Total BS!
Plan B: Where and when did you see this commercial? I would like to see it, so that we might mount a counter movement to this garbage.
Mel |
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Absolutely, Right on the money Mel, I was at the Santa Barbera massacre, with two of the voters against MPA were a no show and Hattoy closed 25% of the channel Islands down. It was all a set up.
They definitely have their sights set on the Central Coast since they think the area is easy pickings population wise.
I do not trust this Blue Ribbon BS either, same deal. We were already hit at the Channel Islands, So cal is next and the folks that did not lift a finger to help us down south will get a rude awakening.
I know you guys are spirited fighters up there and I for one appreciate your efforts.
Don't expect any science from this group either because it never has been about the fish!!!! |
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mel- some of that evil stuff was aired tonight in the form of a ridicously exaggerated commecial advocating mpa's. it showed the supposedly small fish that we catch now compared to the huge marlin we used to catch. it was grossly unfair, untrue, and unbelievable. i immediately sent an e mail to the gm of keyt demanding them to remove that trash. i would encourage others to do the same. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Friends:
By the way, we certainly want all of you to remember that the CCFCC is going to have at least two fund-raiser dinners in the next couple months. I think that one will be at the Yacht Club in Avila Beach and the other at the Morro Bay Community Center. I WILL BE GIVING YOU MORE DETAILS ON THOSE DINNERS SHORTLY ..... We are one of the only groups in the state that is committed to protecting recreational fishing rights along the Central Coast ... we need your support.
The mounting pressure to destroy our fishing rights ....presents a never-ending struggle for recreational fisherman along the California coast. Keep up the fight!!!!
Mel. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Fishing friends:
As most of you know, there will be a Fred Hall boat and tackle show up at the Cow Palace in South San Francisco this next week. So, a number of fishing groups are meeting up there to talk about fishing closures, MPAs and other "evil stuff". The Board of Directors of RFA (Recreational Fishing Alliance), a national fishing organization with which the CCFCC is affiliated, is meeting on Friday ... and the California Fisheries Coalition (CFC) is meeting on Saturday morning. This latter group (which I discussed in a posting below) is a watchdog group that will be trying to make sure that the governor's "blue ribbon panel" follows the law as it is spelled out in the MLPA legislation. We support their efforts in this matter. I'll be up in SF for the meetings and will report back to you.
Mel. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Gary;
the flatfish were caught down south acording to the report fron steve moore, off vandeberg.
Blackie /SR
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Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Snag-city is a snag every cast. Not a fun place to visit, but that has been my experience fishing from shore in the rocks.
Last June, I was fishing N. of Pismo pier, near the bluffs. But I've seen lots of people fishing around the Grand ramp. I used the same technique, lots of fun on light gear. Surf Perch are good eating, about like a blue rockfish. Not the best, but great in fish tacos.
Send me a email if you want to hook up sometime and go after them (maybe after this crazy storm).
lat,
steve |
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Steve (Fishmaster) Where is snag-city? And are surf perch good eating? If I understand the regs, we can still target sand, spotted, barred and kelp bass, as well as white sea bass year round with limits on size and bag limits of course. The Patriot rockfish tournament turned out a couple of keeper flattys. Does anyone know where they were landed? |
bodean (Unregistered Guest)
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barred serfperch can be caught off pismo state beach, look for the deeper water that comes to the shore, not the shallow water. the spots are easy to see if you look at it while. just so happens that the end of grand is an area that has that type of terrain and the parking is free. there are many other areas that are good to the south but the creek crossing might be a little hazardous at this time. my favorite area is past the sand highway and towards the fence at the end of the beach when the conditions are right of coarse. motor oil grubs, swivel and a sliding sinker work well as do sand crabs with a bank sinker. the latter produces some bigger fish. good luck |
Will Stoudenmire (Fisher_will)
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Steve, Where do you go for the surf perch? Thinking of trying it sometime. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Another option for fishing this winter is surfperch. I haven't been yet, but have seen folks fishing at the end of Grand Ave. I fished last year with a small spinning rod, 6# line, and small brown curly tail grubs. Caught about 15 in 2 hours up to about 2-3 pounds. Lots of fun. I have a friend who fly-fishes for them, going to give that a try soon.
My experience with shore fishing for rockfish is snag-city. I've caught a few fish, but lost tons of gear in the process.
best fishes,
steve |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Any word yet on how the new CRFS study went this last year? The only way to beat, in court, the MPA's is to show actual numbers and not the weird expansions.
I let the sampler guys measure my fish each time. Nice guys. Hopefully this won't come back to bite me.
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Eric Endersby:
No, not yet. I will try to do a little summary on the California Fisheries Coalition very soon. Basically, the CFC is a "broad-based" group of commercial, recreational, and other fishing groups who have banded together to work with the "Blue Ribbon" task force appointed by the governor to establish a "master plan" for implementing the Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA). The CFC (not to be confused with the CCFCC) is like a watchdog organization that will be trying to prevent closures of fishing by stopping any new no-fish zones. More on this group later.
Most recreational fishing groups are participating (for the time being) with the MLPA process ... although most of us believe it is "RIGGED" already to close down fishing along the Central Coast. The Blue Ribbon panel members say this is all on the "up-and up" and that science and data will be used to JUSTIFY any closure-decisions. I think they are honest in there claims. However, we have heard "inside" information that when the environmental groups (who are putting up the $2 million to fund the lion's share of the MLPA process)get tired of waiting for this process to be completed, they are going to try to short-circuit the process to avoid all public input and gathering of science and data ... and will go directly to the legislature seeking to pass legislation that would arbitrarily draw geographic areas where there will be no-fish zones along a big part of the California Coast. They will argue that the public has already agreed to the concept of MPAs (marine protected areas) and will claim we are wasting time trying to justify these MPAs ... They will claim that Fish & Game, the Fish & Game Commission, and the "public-input" process are all hurdles that are slowing down the process of protecting our oceans. Right now, with the make-up of the legislature ... it is likely that they could push through this legislation. So, we are using this period of time to get organized and gather our scientific information and data ... for the eventual big fight in the legislature. We see this evil coming and we are preparing for it.
Mark this down in your "little black book". The environmentalists will eventually try to circumvent the MLPA process by AVOIDING:
a) Gathering science and data to justify MPAs
b) Completing the "public comment" part of process
c) Gathering of scientific data/evidence by Fish & Game Dept.
d) Getting approval of Fish & Game Commission
The environmentalists are controlling the purse-strings on this process. When they see the process is not going the way they would like (i.e closing down fishing along the coast), they will circumvent the process by claiming all the fishing interests are dragging their heels ... and they will go directly to the legislature with a map setting out arbitary no-fish zones along the whole coast of California.... Mark it down in your little black book....... This is exactly what happened with the Channel Island Marine Preserves. There was a process in place to develop the CIMS ... and when the environmentalists felt that the process was taking too long, they went to Governor Gray Davis and got him to appoint an environmentalist hack (Bob Hattoy) to the Fish and Game Commission to arbitrarily push through no-fish zones around the Channel Islands. Then these no-fish zones were ramrodded through the Commission (on a 2-1 vote) and enacted into law.... They totally abandoned the CIMS public involvement factor ... and just ramrodded the no-fish zones through the Commission. It was shameful behavior by the F&G Commission.
Well ... enough jabbering. Just want to let you know that your local CCFCC is still fighting all the time to resist governmental efforts to restrict recreational fishing ... (unless it is based on science and reliable evidence).
Mel. |
Gary (Unregistered Guest)
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Can anyone suggest a good place with reasonable access to get at the Rockfish from the shore around the Avila area? I think you can get down to the water from a spot or two at Shell Beach but I've never tried it. I've seen a couple of surfers getting into the water from the park at Spyglass. Any other ideas? |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Very well put Mel. We fight eachother and we're done. "Divide and conquer." Classic tactic, works every time.
Lay down your swords boys.
Mel - has the California Fisheries Coalition been introduced here?
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What’s Open:
Rockfish
The recreational fishery for rockfish (Sebastes sp.) is open year-round for shore-based anglers and divers only. The daily bag and possession limit is 10 fish within the RCG Complex (includes all species of Rockfish, Cabezon and Greenlings) in combination of all species per person, with a sub-limit on bocaccio (1 per person, minimum size limit of 10 inches total length, also included in the 10 fish RCG Complex aggregate limit). Yelloweye rockfish, canary rockfish and cowcod may not be retained (bag limit: zero).
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bodean (Unregistered Guest)
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about size limits: the size limits are the same excepting lings. i dont understand why that was in place last year. I also agree with the argument that the enviro"mentalists" love to see us fight. It helps their cause.
lets all work together and maybe be staying united we`ll have a chance to keep the fisheries open for all of us and for our grandchildren |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Gentlemen:
Why all the chipping at each other? Let's direct our efforts at the real villains. Commercial fishermen ... including live-fish commercial fishermen are NOT THE PROBLEM! There is no evidence anywhere that any nearshore species are depleted or "overfished." The problem is that our GOVERNMENT! The government has climbed in bed with the environmental groups (MLPA has Fish & Game taking $2 million from environmental groups to create more no-fish zones called MPAs). Our nearshore fishing is the best in 25 years ... and the government has no data or information to the contrary. They spend millions to find ways to close us down and create no-fish zones, but spend a pittance to gather data about our nearshore species. The 1998 MLMA legislation requires the state of California to gather "essential fishery information" about the nearshore fish species so that nearshore waters can be adequately regulated. The state has spent almost nothing on this obligation in the last six years. CDFG claims that they don't have the money to do the adedquate studies. However, they gladly take $2 million from special interest groups to establish no-fish zones up and down the state. And their first target for closures is the Central Coast. (Even though we have the best rockfishing in the state)
A recent study by Cal Poly marine biologists shows that nearshore species are just as healthy and thriving as they were back in 1988. "Hook and line" fishermen has never been shown to have any impact on nearshore fish species.
The environmental groups love that we are attacking each other instead of the the real problem. Your state and federal government are the ones "screwing you" big time. During the coming 5 months (when we cannot do any rockfishing), we will be giving you things that you can do to mount an effort against the wave coming against us to close down ocean rockfishing.
BUT LET'S NOT STOOP TO ATTACKING EACH OTHER. THERE ARE PLENTY OF FISH OUT THERE FOR BOTH RECREATIONAL AND COMMERCIAL INTERESTS.
Melvin de la Motte, Jr.
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bodean (Unregistered Guest)
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i dont want to get in a pissing match but,
check the amount of fish that sport fishermen are allowed to catch verses the amount that commercails are allowed per year. the sport anual harvest levels far exceed sport catches |
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fair? give me a break! sport fisherman are allowed to catch 10 rockfish every day, thats 300 fish a month,thats at least 900 lbs. a month. our qouta is 300 lbs. for TWO MONTHS. think about what you say. |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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FYI Folks,
http://www.fredhall.com/
2005 Fred Hall's Fishing,Tackle & Boat Show
January 12-16 The Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA
Carl Moore
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Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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OK, Steve didn't lose the Patriot. It's sitting here at one of our piers! But he did lose a boat some years back, '96 I guess. I need to get out of the office more...
Eric Endersby
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Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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I'd have to agree about the live rockfishermen. Most regs are in place to insure that fish get to spawn at least once before they are harvested. The live fishermen get to take the fish way before that time.
I also didn't think it was fair that commercial guys got to keep lings over 24" last year when we could only keep them over 30". I'm not harping on the commercial guys, just don't like it when the regs are different for folks fishing for the same fish. It is the policy makers that I have a gripe with.
best fishes,
steve |
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if you had any balls youd post your name. sportfishermen are alowed the lions share of the alloted optimum yields. just so happens theres very few live fishermen and a who;e boat load of sporties |
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I can't see what is fair about the fact that the commercial live fisherman are allowed to fish where and when the sport fisherman cannot. I have witnessed the rape of our near shore stocks for years now and it seems that the new commissioner is just as was the last one.
I believe it is time for the sport fisherman to quit being so soft and take some action. I see them (live fisherman) today (1-4-04) in front of Cayucos killing the small rockfish while the sportfisherman pays the bills, and yet cannot fish. |
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Sorry about the Mallard. I fished from her with Bob Gannon was captain.--Just a few years ago. |
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Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Yes, Steve at Patriot Sportfishing lost a boat (the Patriot I believe) either last winter or the winter before. Same beach. Darby at Virg's sold him the Mallard to replace her with. Yes, hard luck, but not so much for Darby.
In speaking to the PSL Harbor Patrol today, it looks like the entire bow section that had the mooring lines secured to it was torn off. Word has it that the bulldozer will begin work on her tomorrow. More sad news to end the year with in a world of sad maritime news. Take care.
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Walt Buehler (Unregistered Guest)
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Does anyone know exactly what happened to the Mallard? I can see it ended up on a beach, but where was this at, and what happened? Thanks for any reply. Darn, Virg's could certainly use some good luck. I have appreciated these guys for many years. |
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That sucks about the Mallard. Didn't Steve and the guys loose another boat last year or something. My prayers go out to them. |
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mallard on the beach 1.2.05
looks like the whole bow rail was ripped off! I noticed a sprung plank on the starboard chine, and a buncha rail missing on the starboard side. Bummer. |
Bill Miller (Fishing_bear)
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Does anyone know if there is a way to keep the posts the same width as the archived files - I really don't like having to move back and forth across the page. As I remember, it used to be the same width - one screen wide.
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JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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mallard went on the beach last night....also lost a couple of sail boats....not sure if it(mallard) was holed but it had water rolling on the deck when i left the harbor this morning at 10:00 |
Bill Miller (Fishing_bear)
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Well, fishing tomorrow was a good thought, but I think it will be better to stay around the house - maybe service a few reels (got to get ready for those fiesty sand-dabs).
Happy New Years to all. |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Some of the info in my last post is inaccurate. The hook and weight requirements were for sandabs. I've done a little cut and paste from the F&G commision website along with the link to their site and have placed it in the attached document. It would be a good idea to download the info and read it before heading out as I may have missed a thing or two.
Bob I'll email you the pdf file. |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Bob,
I was looking at the proposed regs on the F&G commission website a month or so ago and I believe it will be legal to fish for halis and sandabs in shallow waters as long as you're using a #2 hook or smaller and have no more than 2#s of weight. I'll have to double check myself, I'll reread the info later and send you an email.
Sorry if I alarmed you bill on the monitoring systems, I just found the info to be an interesting read.
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Its interesting to see that there are some halibut being caught. Maybe we can still catch something for the next few months. Halibut, sandabs, and white seabass are open all year. Does any one know if depth makes a difference as to where we can legally fish for these spieces?
CCFCC is monitoring the hearings of the MLPA blue ribbon task force and will continue to work towards keeping fishing open on the Central Coast. We are also in support of a rockfish rearing program proposed by Freddy Otte at Salmon Enhancement. We are also looking forward to getting the rockfish study sponsered by the MIG which CCFCC contributed to published this year so it can be used in support of our efforts. I could use some help with this year's CCFCC fund raiser dinner at the Avila Yacht Club to be held hopefully in Feb. Email me if interested.
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that fair weather fisherman again (Unregistered Guest)
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friday appears to be out of the question looking at the forcast unless you stay close to home out of the right harbor. run of wont be a problem but the swells could be. |
bodean (Unregistered Guest)
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stacy, as far as i can see the vessel monitoring system[s] are for comercial fisheries, and I havnt heard a word about them being implemented anywhere in ca. the first i heard about that kind of program was in alaska. I dont think you have a thing to worry about |
Bill Miller (Fishing_bear)
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This sounds like the ultimate "Big Brother". Has anyone heard anything on the January 11th meeting in Morro Bay? Are they looking at all boats or just commercial ones. Seems like a lot of expense for the relatively few fish a private boater brings in. |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Have you guys seen this?
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Dr. Shipp on reserves vs. management