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Joe Derringer (Joe)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:15 pm: | |
live bait is available at port sanluis 4" 6" anchovies. Deke will be on the bait dock at 6 am. |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 9:24 pm: | |
Thanks Mel and Shell!
I fished with my 4-year old daughter a good part of the day Friday for salmon out of Morro, but as we all know now it was a skunk day. We then fished inside a little bit for bottom fish, but only landed a few blues/blacks 'cause we didn't spend too much time and effort. I hope to get back to it soon so we'll see you both out there.
Eric Endersby |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 8:59 pm: | |
Eric: I support what you have been saying. The wardens are not to blame for the sorry state of the regulations. The low quota and short seasons are because DFG does not have the money to gather adequate fishery data. They take money from the environmental groups under the MLPA legislation(to consider reducing our opportunity even more), but will not spend the money to obtain the data showing the condition of our fishery.
Mel. |
shellback (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 6:49 pm: | |
no hard feelings eric-
having fished the ocean since age 7(im 50 now) and bought fishing licences since age 16 (i think) i have yet to see the dfg do anything for saltwater fishermen. wardens are just doing a job as we all do. and at this point the wardens job is tougher than most. hope you can get out and enjoy some of this epic rokcod fishing weve enjoyed since the opener.
shellback |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 4:41 pm: | |
Mr. Shellback:
This is my last tinkle in this pissing contest.
As I stated before, DFG is under the RESOURCES AGENCY. Period.
Bottom line is that we all need to work together to fight the ever-increasing threats from the extreme environmental left on our recreational fishing rights and heritage. I started this whole blow-up simply to set a few misstatements straight, and to step up to the bat on the side of the wardens who were, in my humble opinion, taking a bit of an unfair beating. I never ever meant to convey that I was happy with DFG and the way things are being run, or with the direction in which fishery management is going. I'm certainly not, and am on your side in this regard. Hope there aren't any hard feelings...
Eric Endersby |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Post Number: 227
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 3:04 pm: | |
Buoy 46011 is scheduled to have it's wind sensor restored this month (maybe!). This is the Santa Maria buoy located 11 miles west of pt. Sal. With this one and the Cape San Martin buoy working we should be OK for realtime data. |
www.CentralCoastAngler.com (Unregistered Guest)
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Guest (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:05 am: | |
It's my understanding that the coastal commission along with Jack Black, Barbara Streisand, and Ted Danson are going to fund the replacement of the PSL buoy..................
Instead of making this month's payment to Ryan Broderick...................... |
Aaron Floyd (Aaron_floyd)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:56 am: | |
Perhaps the cost to cover the funding of the PSL buoy could be shared by other user groups such as the local chapter of the Surfrider Foundation |
Dustin DesJardins (Farmerd)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:38 am: | |
Harrell, I was about to post the same exact thing. I appreciate the CCFCC offering to step in and help fund the bouy, but those funds need to continue to go towards our rights to fish.
That bouy will be missed and the safety factor of offshore runs will be a major concern in the near future. But we will still pick our days and make the most of it. |
Rory/Pluto (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:35 am: | |
PSL bouy was not a forecaster. It was real time data. The next closest bouy showing wind speed is over 60mi away. Local water temp would be really nice too. Not to mention the other data needed to decide safe boating conditions. I'm not giving you hell, just I am not a meteoroligist (I probably can't even spell it).
PSL bouy made it safer for boaters/fisherman in that, what I think, is a large area. |
Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:07 am: | |
Maybe the DFG should sell the bluefin I regularly see tied to the dock, buy themselves a smaller and more practicable boat and the use the money to finance the bouy for about twenty years. |
HARRELL kIMBALL (Catmakai)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 6:55 am: | |
Bob/CCFCC
I will probably catch hell for saying this but I don't think the loss of the PSL buoy is a really big deal ! I think the CCFCC funds are much better utilized the way you have been using them. The results have been outstanding!
There are many ways to tell the ocean conditions now with pretty good computer models, satellite wind sensors, Wave models, the remaining buoys and reports from boats . |
Paul (Fv_flyer)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 12:17 am: | |
Hey Eric,
Thanks for keeping it real.
Paul |
Eric Enndersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 10:13 pm: | |
Bob:
I don't argue that F&G in general is doing a pretty lousy job. The wardens probably won't tell you this, but I don't think that they are too pleased with the way things are run either. And you are also entirely correct in your assumption that it will probably never change. I deplore the current regime of regulations, their complexity, and their nearly total lack of scientific merit.
But what gets my undies in a bunch is when the wardens are blamed for it all and bad-mouthed, and when totally inflamatory and 100% innacurate statements such as "And the purpose of all this is to help finance the highly paid and benefited DFG brown shirts ("just following orders") and their $million toys" are made. That DOES bug me and I cannot sit by and let it go. Statements like that don't do anybody any good, and I'm just trying to make a crappy situation for us and the wardens a little better. That's all. Next time you are boarded, ask the warden how much he makes. Then ask him (or her) how many hours on average they put in each week, including all the "off hour" time at home in their "home offices" dealing with paperwork, phone calls. messages, etc. I think that you'll be surprised. Is everybody flocking to be a fish cop for the pay and benes? I don't think so.
Sorry for trying to light a peace pipe.
Eric Endersby |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 9:36 pm: | |
On behalf of the board of directors of CCFCC we would like some feedback from our members as to your thoughts about CCFCC offering to contribute to some of the annual expence of placing the PSL weather buoy back in service. I read that the annual cost was $16,000. Keep in mind that CCFCC has some major tasks ahead in dealing with protecting our right to fish which could use most of out donations. Rep Bill Thomas, who has been to my home, said the buoy was allready reassigned to a different location but if one comes up maybe we can interest them in copaying the cost.
Bob Hather |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 9:23 pm: | |
Bob Smith:
You have correctly chastised me about the comments to "understate" released canary rockfish.
This represents my belief that rockfish often survive when released. My partner and I are very careful to release fish with utmost caution and I disagree with F&G that all these fish die. However, I stand by my statement that I do not want anyone "exaggerating" the number of released fish. I also stand by my statement that F&G wardens are not the problem.
Mel. |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 8:02 pm: | |
How about that phone # to the "wild E coyote" anyone? |
Bob Smith (Bob_smith)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 6:49 pm: | |
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Fact-- the inland DFG wardens are regularly called in to "help" enforce fishing regulations Eric. They are not "strickly" inland. This is not an opinion.
Opinion-- Those of you who believe that the DFG is performing just fine are to be pitied.
Opinion-- If more data is the problem Mel, how can you recommend that fishmen purposely give false data about what they caught. Quoting you "Also, don't ever say you released any canaries ...
2. Don't be exaggerating about the number of released fish ... in fact, I would keep it to a very low number;
3. Don't admit that you released any canary rockfish ..."
I have no axe to grind with Eric or Mel; harbor patrol and freedom to fish people are both great. My issue is with DFG and will continue to be until it changes, which is likely never. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 5:21 pm: | |
Friends:
OUR PROBLEMS ARE NOT THE F&G WARDENS (They are doing their jobs)
OUR PROBLEMS ARE NOT THE COMPLEX NATURE OF REGULATIONS (We fish May-Sept from Shore to 40 fathoms, 10 fish sack limit. Although there are slot limits on lings in Alaska and slot limits for sturgeon in some states, there are not slot limits on any rockfish yet... except there are minimum lengths on lings, cabezons, white sea bass, salmon and a few other species)
OUR PROBLEMS ARE NOT LEARNING WHAT CANARY ROCKFISH LOOK LIKE (We have to learn what ducks we can shoot don't we???)
These issues should not distract us from the truly serious problems we face and the true threats to our fishing rights.
Let's keep our eye on the real problems. Our problems are the lack of data by Fish & Game. For starters, that lack of data automatically cuts our fishing opportunity IN HALF. If we can get CDFG to get out of their "data-poor" condition, we can double our fishing opportunity. The CCFCC is working hard to address this problem. I think that we are moving in the right direction.
The second big problem is the efforts of environmentalists (under the guise of the MLPA) to close down fishing in "protected areas" WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF DATA, NEED OR SCIENCE. This may be the biggest threat on the horizon to our fishing rights. These are the issues we need to keep focused on.
Thanks for all the complimentary comments about the CCFCC. We hard to keep your trust and protect your rights.
Eric .... you do great work for the harbor and we appreciate your efforts. We'll get you out there soon to snag a salmon.... keep the faith.
Mel. |
shellback (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 1:51 pm: | |
mr endersby
see California environment and natural resouce agencies. then look at the subgroups. you will find the dfg as a subgroup. i belong to ccfcc. and id much rather send them money than pay another red cent for a fishing licence to bankroll people who want to destroy my god given freedom to fish.
shellback |
Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 1:04 pm: | |
My post regarding the violations this year was not intended to be negative towards the wardens, only to point out they are out doing their job. There are a lot of details that neeed to be understood to fish for multiple species on the same day out here. ie. can't fish for salmon in water deeper than 240 feet after rockfish are on the boat, can't use a barbed hook for any species after salmon are on the boat. I looked through the regs and couldn't find this in writing (may have missed it). I don't like the law breaker any more than the next guy, but I think we are too regulated. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 11:53 am: | |
The wardens are just doing their job the best they can...and most of them are guys that love to hunt/fish. I don't have friends that are wardens, but I have many that are fish biologists and they are great people that love fish and fishing. They work very hard at a job that they get paid very little to do. So quit bashing F&G, the enviros or anyone else and get involved instead of complaining about it. Well put Eric.
As a side note, I got boarded by the coast guard yesterday. I always hate getting boared because they always find something wrong...but it is generally a good thing. They were very professional and courteous. They went through my boat and told me that I needed to have a throwable seat cushin (I thought you only needed those on boats > 16') and that my flares were expired. He wrote me a citation, but informed me that 99% of the time it is a fix-it ticket. I just need to purchase the items, return a receipt with my citation and that would be the end of it. Thanks Coast Guard, without you our ocean would be a much more dangerous place.
And thank you wardens for enforcing the rules of fishing and keeping people honest...Thanks F&G for changing the rockfish regs when you realized the error in your original regs.
best fishes,
steve |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 10:31 am: | |
Ask the wardens what they think of the regulations sometime. They hate them just as much as you do. I've asked our wardens to clarify some points, and have gotten the answer "I don't know, it's too confusing" almost as often as a straight answer. The wardens are just as frustrated as you regarding the regs.
Eric Endersby |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Believe what you want. Not much sense arguing with you guys. DFG is under the Resources Agency. I don't even know if a "Dept. of Environmental Services" even exists. If it does, then it focuses on EPA-type stuff like air and water quality, chemicals, etc. Not even close to fishery regulation.
Second, there aren't even 6 game wardens in the entire county. 4 maybe, two of which are strictly inland.
How to get involved? Get educated about what is going on. Go to Commission meetings and have your say. Write letters, send emails. Support groups like CCFCC, RFA, CFC, etc. It takes some effort. And some money. Yes, fishery management is getting hijacked by the extreme environmental movement. No doubt about it. Don't like the regulations? Neither do I. Get involved. I am.
But if you think that we don't need enforcement, then you're living in a fantasy world. Are wardens expected to witness a violation before they can ask to see your fish hold or gear? If that were the case then there would be no enforcement. Think about it; umpteen boats spending umpteen hours on the water day in and day out. 2 ocean wardens for hundreds of square miles of ocean. And they have to keep tabs on the commercial fleet. And the commercial lanndings. And the party boats. To witness a bag limit or undersize violation, a boater would have to be "staked out" for hours on end by a warden. Get real. But do you want that instead? Asking and checking your hold or cooler is the only way. There ARE violations out there. I've seen them. Some innocent like not knowing what a canary rockfish looks like, and some intentional like getting a limit of salmon in the morning, then going out for another in the afternoon.
How should enforcement be done, then?
Eric Endersby |
Chip Tamagni (Fishfitr)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 10:09 am: | |
I have heard of many citations this year for various F & G violations. The canaries seem to be causing many problems for guys from the valley that don't keep themselves informed. I heard of a boat that had fillets already in ziplocks with no skin attached that got cited. The barbless hook deal has been an issue up in santa cruz with wardens using the silk stocking trick on the bent barbs. I am starting to think they make laws purposely confusing so they issue more tickets. I don't think it will be long before we can catch all the rockfish in slot limits. O.K. guys you can catch two reds between 13-18 inches, one black rockfish over 12 but under 17 inches and only on a full moon that falls on a tuesday, etc. They need to make the laws before the season and stick with them through the entire season. They also need to quit spending money on boats like the bluefin. |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 9:44 am: | |
I'm sorry this report is too late for the Sunday Fisherman but here it is...We fished out to @ 350" to 400' off of Point Estero for Salmon with 400' of cable and 13lb balls trolling spoons and strait bait, we think we were able to at least get down to 250'maybe 300' with the angle of the cable and a few wraps left on the downrigger, we trolled through some of the best bait balls I've seen in years and we didn't even have a knockdown or heard of any fish being caught. We picked up some rockies and headed for the barn @ 2:00 pm ,I'm thinking of a strategy change, if anybody has the phone # for the "Wild E Coyote"
ACME Salmon catching trap please give me a call.
Bloody Decks Forever!! |
shellback (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 6:10 am: | |
a friend who is a retired dfg auditor tells me the whole dfg has been taken over by the department of environmental services. with a title like that, you can guess what thier polotics are. yes folks, they are a bunch of enviro idiots who want no human tresspasers on thier ocean. i dont know what action i can take personally to change this. i do remember paying seven dollars for a fishing licence and seeing the dfg work to improve fishing- hatcherys, printing free booklets about habits and tactics for catching sportfish etc. now my friend tells me that not ONE DIME of licence fees goes back into the dfg.any ideas about what can be done about these enviro nazis masquerading as the dfg? |
Bob Smith (Bob_smith)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 4:10 am: | |
While driving to work, you can expect to be stopped and have your car searched. Upon arriving home, you can expect to have the authorities waiting at your house where they will ask you if you have anything in your car that they should know about. When you say no, they ask if they can search your car anyway. This is the state of things with the local F&G "enforcers". Last time it happened to me (opening day of salmon season), the guy first looked in the battery compartment of my boat, which is likely the most common boat found here for the nonexistent fish; had to be directed to the fish hold, which amazingly containing no fish, which I'd told him when he asked originally. Here, go fishing and you're viewed as guilty of something and also considered a liar.
While it's possible that these F&G people once were fishermen/hunters (I don't really believe that), they now seem most closely tied to the military. Ever seen the blue commando get up, the bloused pants. What's the point; how does this help the fishery; how does this enhance the fishing experience. It's unnecessary and is emblematic of the current F&G culture. As with Cal OSHA, Cal EPA, CalTrans, etc., the Davis-era Dept. Heads (political appointees) are poor leaders and managers. Couldn't care less about efficiency. State employment expanded by something like 40% during the Davis administration. When times were good, money was thrown at state agencies. I was there; I saw it. Most of it was used to hire people, needed or not. Dept. Heads needed little justification to expand programs, people, or buy things (Bluefin). To maintain bloated agencies, just write complicated regulations, needed or not, that will be rubber stamped by the oversight committees composed of other political appointees, that, of course, must be enforced. Make no mistake, the documented "violations" are then used to justify the higher staffing levels when times are tough (now). "See, we have a lot of violating going on, we really need all these people, if fact, we need more people. Come on taxpayer, give us some more resources, we're helping you."
Again, Arnold, the nonpolitician, promised to change all this and the state employee unions are spending $millions to derail him. Do we really need so much "enforcement" of these great F&G regulations; do we need 4-6 wardens at the dock or can we get by with 2-3. Do we need to be hassled both on the water and at the dock so frequently. |
The Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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The Sissy fished south of the lighthouse Friday for some very nice reds and one awsome Cabazon. Many undersized lings released. Saw no salmon caught. Was borded by F&G. Their millitant tactics are barely acceptable.
John on "The Sissy" |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 8:37 pm: | |
Looking for a fishing partner tomorrow to fish out of my skiff at PSL. Fishing for salmon/rockfish. It's a 16' boat. 489-8578
Fished today for a couple of nice reds, several blues and a couple dink lings. Had a huge ling piggy back a rockfish up to the boat, but it stole the rockfish before we could free-net it Wind picked up early and got us off the water.
Tried shallow water for too long, but got into the fish once we moved deeper. Must be something about shallow water this time of year...the fish don't seem to be there (had the same luck out of Leffingwell last weekend).
lat,
steve |
Saltair (Unregistered Guest)
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Fished out of PSL today for a couple of reds and a ling before the winds came up. Didn't look for any salmon. Anyone have any comments about the folks with Fish & Game hats on wanting to inspect our catch? Thanks again to Del for the launch... |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 8:06 am: | |
Here is another way I have fished the canyon deep off moss landing, use a chrome lake sinker release and a 2# ball go to the bottom and after you hit jerk the rod tip sharply the light release wil drop the weight and all you need is the salmon on there , this was done mooching when the fish were way down there .
Good luck
Blackie SR/ KILLER BS |
plan b (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 7:19 am: | |
eric- i've been fishing heavier cable and 20lb balls on my scotty for years. i can effectively troll to about 250'. anything past that it seems it doesn't matter how much cable you let out with that weight you just don't get deeper in fact i think you get shallower unless you slow way down. whatever laws of physics there is the speed of the boat versus the drag of the ball and cable prevents sport guys from trolling those depths. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 4:53 am: | |
Did anyone try moochin those fish? That would seem the only way for a sporty to get at those fish. Up in Oregon we mooched down to about 200 feet with 8 oz. bannana weights and herring on a rsk. We caught nookies, lingcod and halibut
I bet it would work.
Fishing this morning out of PSL, I've give a report later,
steve |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Thanks Jim and Steve. I'll be interested to hear how your 400 feet of cable worked. I guess the other worry is putting a ton of lead hanging on that little Scotty downrigger.
I think next week I'll pay a visit to one of our commercials in town and have a squiz at his gear. I know that they are all about hydraulics and 40-pound leads, but the concept is the same. In talking to one of them yesterday, the fish were all down on the bottom at 300+ feet. Rumor had it that one commercial Tuesday pulled 50 fish in 2 hours! All from the bottom.
Maybe I'll see you out there tomorrow.
Eric Endersby |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 9:34 pm: | |
I've just put 400' of cable on the downriggers and picked up the clips that you can really put the squeeze on the line, also will try spoons only for less drag... anyway thats my fantasy for tomorrow, I'll let you know.
Bloody Decks Forever!! |
smgofish (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:58 pm: | |
Eric, you can put on more lead and get down to deeper depths, but the problem that I have found is that all of the line from your rod tip to the clip at 300' creates so much drag in the water that it easily pulls out of the clip. I have however caught fish as deep as 300' with a heavy lead (40 Lbs.) on the Patriot but with only a couple of people aboard. Also remember we have hydraulics on our bow riggers so we did not have to do all of that cranking. Steve |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Bob H - you can't take the title of Salmon Skunk King from me just yet! I haven't even caught one this year yet. I trolled all over the place this afternnoon from about 1:30 to 6. Found a couple nice bait balls, but nada. I also went out near the commercial fleet for nada. Saw lots of fish right down on the bottom at 300+ though. But I only had wire for 200.
Now, can anyone tell me why we sports can't put more lead and wire on our Scotty's and get down where the commercials go? We can easily put more wire on, but I never hear of any sport getting much deeper that 200 feet. That's where the commercials always kill us - on depth. Any comments?
Eric Endersby |
Ono (Unregistered Guest)
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Fished today Fri from 7am-3:00pm in Pt Estero area for no salmon, no bites, nothing. Great rock fishing in most areas, lots of lings and reds. Just a beautiful day on the water. - Gerard |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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I'll be out tomorrow on the Tsunami fishing for salmon around Point Estero,I'll report as soon as I get back for you Sunday guys.
Bloody Decks Forever!! |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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We fished from sunrise to noon with a fleet of about twenty boats off of Point Estero today and there were no salmon caught by any of the boats around us. I'm begining to think they just don't bite when I'm out there. The conditions were exactly the same as yesterday with good bait balls, whales, seals etc. |
Michael Gorgita (Gdoggsb)
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Rob..Yeah I'm probably coming up..it depends on Bobs report later today. Soo you better start getting that sore throat cause I think he's gonna have a good one. Call me up about 3:30 today and we will finalize our assault on the salmonoids. |
Marc Obenshain (Obenshain)
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Great rock fishing this week, from Buchon up to Piedras Blancas! I would like to thank Jack on the Minnow and Mike on the Joshua Lee as well as everybody else that helped us out, my buddy and I had a GREAT time!!!
marc.
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Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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GDOGGSB YA SEE THAT LAST POST FROM BOB HATHER , I GUESS THERE GETTIN SOME AND THERE NICE FISH TOO ,IF YA DECIDE TO COME UP LET ME KNOW EARLY SO I CAN GET SICK AND LAYOFF FROM WORK |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Sorry to post this so late but I was occupied. There is a very good early bite of salmon off Point Estero. From 5.5 mi on a 270 from the rock out to 13 mi up the coast in 200 to 400 feet of water the commercial fleet is doing well. Sport boats had limits of 22-27 lb fish by 10:00. Mel and I will get an early start Friday fishing the Windfall as the bite stopped at 10:00 am. White spoons did the best at all depths.
Bob |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Dustin:
We at the City of Morro Bay along with several other agencies pleaded our case with both the National Data Buoy Center and with our local Rep, Lois Capps. The buoy people said "talk to your congressmen, the PSL buoy was a Minerals Management Service-funded buoy. They are done with it, it's out of our hands, there is no more money for it." Capps told us she's do what she can. But in the big picture of where all the federal $ is going right now, that buoy is but a speck on a fly on a pimple on the arse of a hippo if you know what I mean. And since that buoy is already out, good luck getting it back. Our best chance would have been to get it continued funding before it was pulled. But it doesn't hurt to keep asking and pestering your local federal representatives. But I agree, it was a loss that some day may prove tragic when someone heads out with less than complete weather information.
Bob: like or agree with it or not, we need enforcement. Without enforcement it would be the wild west out there. Poachers, commercial and recreational, would have their way with our resource. Yes, the occasional innocent Joe will get caught up in the confusing and, I totally agree with you on this, ridiculous regulations. But they really aren't the Warden's fault. Blame the F&G Commission. They make the rules. If you don't like the rules (I certainly don't either - they're lame), get involved with one of the many sport fish groups that are fighting on your behalf to keep what we have and make it more workable for everyone. Like RFA, or better yet, locally the CCFCC that Mel has done so much good work with. And last, all the money collected in fines or judgements doesn't go into the pockets of anybody. It is placed into an account in the county that it is collected in, administered and doled-out by a local Commission peopled by local fishermen, hunters, politicoes, and just plain citizens for the benefit of fish and game related programs, lands, waters, etc. in that county. Believe me, F&G Wardens aren't getting rich on anything. Ask one of them sometime - they didn't get into it for the money. 95% of them got into it because they were hunters or fishermen and found a way to keep a hand in what they love doing and getting paid to help protect it. Just wanted to clear that up.
Eric Endersby |
DEN UEDA (Tin_can)
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we fished on the full moon a while back, got a double whammy, full moon, and low barrometric pressure. you guessed it no fish. den tincancaptin |
Bob Smith (Bob_smith)
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I applaud the efforts of those who fight for the rights of sport fishermen against a broken, farcical system that is supposed to enhance fisheries but, in fact, does the opposite in most cases. The canary rockfish is just one example. Here you have a difficult to identify fish that is an incidental catch and after being "thrown back," usually dies while having its eyes pecked out by gulls. It makes sense NOT to throw them back where the primary benefit is an eyeball meal to sea birds; does nothing to benefit the canary population. In fact, results in more other "legal" rockfish being caught to fill out bag limit. Nobody sets out to catch canary rockfish. It’s important to DFG only as a revenue source. The guy who supplies the revenue is the occasional fisherman; the guy who pays to haul his boat over to the coast from the valley, stay in a motel, go to restaurants, buy a license, etc. but isn’t a "local" who knows how to identify the myriad of fish species here. This poor guy gets to have his pricey fishing experience enhanced by the DFG gestapo. Not only will more $ be taken in a fine but he now will think about his money down the toilet on his long trip back to the valley, rather than all the good things associated with a fishing trip. And the purpose of all this is to help finance the highly paid and benefited DFG brown shirts ("just following orders") and their $million toys. Think of how many salmon, trout, etc. could be hatched with all the $ spent on employing this "enforcement." Come on Arnold, wake up, clean house with that broom you were supposed to take to Sacramento. Absurd |
Waverunner (Unregistered Guest)
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Fished out of Morro today only to about 10am from the shell mound to 300 feet of water with only one knock down. A few nice bait balls down deep and a few scatted bait clusters on the surface. |
The Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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Trolled for salmon Wednesday for 12 hours at several depths and in 180' to 300' with all the hardware aboard in calm seas. Nothing, I mean zilch. Not even a bump. Someone said low barometric pressure. (rain) Anyone have a comment?
Thanks to Mel and others for posting the pictures of the Canary and Yelloweye rockfish. I know I have eaten a few of these in passed years, but will release them now, if I catch them.
John on "The Sissy" |
Dustin DesJardins (Farmerd)
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Steve there was a long discussion about this on allcoast a few weeks ago. Phone calls were made and sounds like maintenance will be done on those that are still remaining. The safety factor this Tuna season will be tossed around over and over again I have no doubt.
Eric, Have you heard any more about the possiblity of the Pt SLO bouy coming back on line anytime soon? I believe it was removed compltely. With only the Cape San Martin bouy giving us any clue as of offshore conditions, I see more than a few aborted trips in all of our near future. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Does anyone know what's up with the local bouys? Several don't have wind speed and Pt. Arguello doesn't have direction!!!
It is bad enough that we are loosing bouys, but now the ones we have out there don't even give us all the data we need!!!
bummer,
steve |
Dave Flack (Antikbuff)
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Hello Jim,
Whenever you're ready to go again I'm available. You can call me @ 588-1394
Dave |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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The weather was great today but the salmon haven't bit for two days now. We trolled for four hours for nothing. I only heard of two salmon caught today and non yesterday. There was plenty of bait but the water was very clear today. |
Bill Son (Reel_busy)
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WEDNESDAY MAY 4, 2005
TO ALL THE FISHING WIVES.
JUST GOT A CALL FROM BILL AND TIM.
THEY ARE HEADED IN WITH THEIR LIMITS.
INCLUDING 4 LINGS OVER 30" @ PIEDRAS BLANCAS.
OOPS CORRECTION!...JUST GOT A SECOND CALL.
THEY DECIDED TO PUT AWAY THE BARBS AND TROLL
IN FOR SALMON. I HAVE HAD FOUR CALLS LOOKING
FOR BILL. I WAS TOLD TO TELL THEM HE COULD
BE REACHED ON HIS CELL PHONE AT THE JOB SITE.
HE SAID TO TELL THEM HE IS REEL BUSY???... |
Andrew Dunn (Drew_2452)
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Try do-1t Molds |
J (Dumbluck)
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Does anyone have any idea where I can buy 16 to 24 oz Jig molds (diamond shape, Vi-ke or Crippled Herring type) I seem to loose a lot of them and would like to make them myself.
Thanks |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Friends:
Well, it was a struggle, but we made it up above the lighthouse. Water was really snotty ... and we only stayed long enough to catch about 6-7 nice reds. Came back down to Cambria to finish out our limits. Never found any canaries that I was looking for. Maybe next time.
My partner, Bob Wendt, had the hot stick today ... and here are a few of his reds.
Mel.
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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Steve:
Thanks for pointing out the e-mail problem at RIGHTTOFISH.COM ... it is an old address that we don't use anymore ... I will get it corrected. Glad you had a good time at the fundraiser in MB. I admit that there have been a couple times when I wansn't sure about whether a fish was a canary or not. ... when in doubt, throw them back.
Mel. |
Steve Bengtson (Wasnt_me)
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When the season opened up last year my friend and I were sure happy to go fishing. The DFG met us at the cleaning station and sure enough we had a little canary. We had looked in the book and read descriptions, got on the internet before going and used several of the same places posted below, and both of us knew it was a little red. Since we had a good bunch of fish, and it was a floter, we had decided to keep it to finish up our limit. We were issued a ticket and then told that the sure and true way is to run your finger back and forth on the lower jaw and if it is rough one way then it is a red, and if smooth then a canary. I asked the wardens to show me where I could find the info and to compare the picture of the fish in the booklet to the one we had. They said sorry, you have a canary. Wrote the judge a letter in SLO and sent the page from the DFG booklet. Also told him our side of the story and he reduced our fine. My story is that it was my friend who actually caught the fish and I bravely signed for the ticket. Since we split the cost it worked out ok. The DFG were polite and friendly, don't want to knock those guys. Remember, lower jaw, rub back and forth, if smooth both ways and has red coloration I'd throw it back in. Of course, a month after that we were up north and caught some hugh coppers but weren't sure what they were and since they had a smooth jaw and funny coloration we threw them back in. We weren't willing to take a chance on the ticket.
Aside from that, Mel, my friend and I came to the dinner the other Sat. and sure appreciated the friendly atmosphere and talk you gave after dinner. We had to leave early to drive back. I've tried e-mailing the Right-To-Fish several times and had it returned. Friend bought tickets at Virge's and didn't remember my address. Wanted to put my address on record. What to do? Thanks.
We also did great on the rockcod last Sun. and had a wonderful day, all illegal fish safely released. Thanks all for sharing. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Rob Bishop, Sharon, Eric & anonymous who just posted:
All helpful information. Rob, the underwater picture and the two just posted are real good. Now we need to get the public aware of this stuff. Eric, I will contact you when I have something ready to post down at the launch. Thanks everyone for your help. I was hoping to make it up above the lighthouse tomorrow, but looks like the weather may not cooperate.
Mel. |
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John Rowley (Outatsea)
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Canary rockfish also have a black spot about the middle of the dorsal fin. Once in awhile it is faded enough it can hardly be seen, but it is almost always there. Also a canary's got a split-tail where a vermillion is more rounded. A long time ago we used to call the canary a swallow-tail. sharon |
Duzer (Unregistered Guest)
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i put together a little pdf guide with some images i found online for identifying many different types of rockfish. I would be happy to email it to anyone that would like a copy. Just shoot me an email and i will bounce it back. It has been pretty helpful for me. PS any regs mentioned in it are notes for myself based on south of point conception.
mike |
Eric Endersby (Unregistered Guest)
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Mel:
On behalf of the Morro Bay Harbor Patrol, I'd be glad to help with posting signage or whatever to help this ID cause. Next time you are at the ramp in MB, have a look at the big sign on the left and see if you spot a good place for a semi-permanent sign or plastic laminate or whatever there. I think that in the bottom right corner F&G Wardens have been posting the latest rockfish regs, so maybe this is a good spot?
Also, we can post ID guides in our office, in our office windows, and in a bulletin board on the north T-Pier. I'll do what I can once you settle on what a canary looks like! To be honest with you, I wouldn't know if I had a canary, or a cowcod, or a friggin' bluegill for that matter. These regulations are so ridiculous that the fisherman is doomed to fail. There has got to be a simpler way...
Eric Endersby
MB Harbor Patrol |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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MEL DID YOU LOOK AT THE LINK I SENT , IT HAS AN UNDERWATER PIC OF A CANARY THAT LOOKS ALMOST YELLOW BUT THE LINK HAS PICS OF OTHER ROCKFISH TOO |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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OH WELL I TRIED |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Righttofish)
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Friends:
Yes, these pictures are helpful, but fishermen still mistake these fish for vermilions. The CDFG picture is too yellow. There are some canary rockfish that are very yellow, but some are almost as red as a vermillion. Sometimes it takes all 3 distinguishing features to make a correct call. Usually the yellowish color is the give-away. A grayish stripe is definitely a foolproof indicator ... when it is present.
All of this is helpful and I am glad we are bouncing this around. I will try to get some good photos and have them posted at Del's and the MB launch ramp in plastic (or something that will withstand weather).
Definitely going up north tomorrow and will hopefully get one canary that I can photograph and then release....
Mel. |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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MEL ,I ADDED A LINK TO THE LAST POST THAT HAS SOME PRETTY GOOD PICS OF ALL THE ROCKFISH, WILL THIS PIC OF A CANARY DO FOR A FLYER AT THE LAUNCH RAMPS , AND ALSO ANYTHING ELSE NEEDED |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/groundfish/RockfishGuide/species_list.htm this link has all the rock cod spiecies and pics |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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that was a pic of a canary rockfish ,i forgot to add that but if thats a good enough pic mel ill go have a bunch made at kinkos , if we can have a plexi glass enclosed case made and leave pics at the loading ramps maybe we can avert a disaster with an early closing due to ignorance |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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I HOPE THIS HELPS |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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Try this also...
Link: http:www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/bfregs2005_sc2.pdf
Bloody decks forever!! |
Good Kharma (Unregistered Guest)
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Fished both Sat.and Sun. out of Morro bay for 2 nice salmon each day plus 6 rockfish on Sunday.All 4 salmon were caught straight out from the "rock",in 140-160ft depth approx. 100ft down the wire.I have been fishing much closer to the beach than the rest of the "fleet".Watermelon crocs and apex lures were the hot ticket both days.The smallest fish was 15lb and the largest was a solid #20 pounder.I heard some scuttlebutt (unverified) that the Ghetto child caught a #30lb fish out in the deeper water.....jeff |
