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Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 7:40 am: | |
Thanks Bob H for posting and making it easy for us to get letters out.
Here's an idea: A link to addresses and sample letters on this website, thereby making it easier to implement sustained campaign to send emails, faxes and hard copy letters every day. |
Bob Humphrey (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 11:44 pm: | |
Fishing and spearfishing will NOT be good if we let this pass while sitting on our butts. Please read on.
I hope you all are aware that paid enviro lobbyists are right this minute lobbying the Governor to NOT renominate Jim Kellogg to the Fish and Game Commission.
Please tell me you also know that Jim is a sportsman and the friend of hunters and fishermen. His voice is a balanced one on the Commission.
And you know, I hope, that if the full time paid enviro bullies are successful, that Arnold will probably put some kind of enviro on the Commission. If he does, you can kiss off a lot of the fishing that you once enjoyed.
Why? because, this year, the Commission will be voting on whether or not to close down huge areas of the ocean to you and me. That's what the MLPA initiative for the Central coast is all about people. Many paid enviros lobbying constantly to close us out of the heritage we love.
The enviro bullies have their people on the science team that is "analyzing" the different proposals. They have their people on the Blue Ribbon Task Force that is supposed to be neutral but is actually advocating for large closures, and NOW they want to bully their way on to the Commission after they bully Kellogg OFF.
Can you say "Channel Islands"? Get ready for Channel Islands part two if Kellogg is not re-nominated.
Ok, so what can you do? Why am I writing this? Because I'm hoping that you still believe that the government is supposed to be BY the PEOPLE and FOR the PEOPLE, NOT for a select few who want to tell everyone else how to live and are willing to PAY to make sure it happens THEIR way(AKA the enviros).
You can SHOW the Governor that that isn't going to happen without him hearing from YOU damnit! If you feel that way, then take about three minutes to write the Governor and tell him that you love fishing and or hunting, and you think Jim Kellogg has done a FINE job on the Commission, and YOU would be mighty disappointed in the Governor if he bowed to pressures from paid enviro lobbyists. It's real simple my fellow lovers of the ocean and all its bounty. just write a letter telling the Gov that you support the renomination of Jim Kellogg to the Fish and Game Commission.
Here are the addresses to write to and a sample letter follows:
Snail mail:
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Email: alice.dowdin@gov.ca.gov
"Maintaining a balanced perspective on the Fish and Game Commission is essential to the future of our fishing heritage in California. Despite recent rumors to the contrary, Jim Kellogg DOES exhibit a balanced perspective. Please demonstrate your own balanced perspective by renominating him for the Fish and Game Commission. We love the environment and we love to hunt and fish. Please don't let us sportsmen and sportswomen down."
Make sure you put your address down so it will be considered legitimate.
Please don't put this off. Put it into your own words and make it real. They need to know that the environmentalists aren't the only ones who care or have a stake in this decision! If you and I let someone else do this for us, no one will do it and we will LOSE!
Thanks,
Bob Humphrey
Central California Council of Dive Clubs
Director of Marine Resources |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 10:45 pm: | |
Friends:
I am going to do a series of postings here on FishReports.net about various issues. I have heard that some of you were wondering if I had died … since I have not posted here in months. The rumor of my demise is exaggerated. I have been putting out fires in other areas and had forgotten my username and password …
First I want to offer a big THANK YOU to all the workers and supporters who made our CCFCC fundraiser dinner at the San Luis Yacht Club on February 25 a big success. I think we netted between $12,000 and $15,000. Thank you especially to Bob Hather who almost single-handedly organized this affair. Bob is not only a member of our board of directors, but donates countless hours to the success of our efforts. Thank you also to Mike Wilson who donated his time putting on a fabulous steak dinner for the attendees. Thanks to everyone who showed up and contributed money to buy auction items and purchase raffle tickets.
We will be having our next fundraiser dinner in Morro Bay at the Community Center on April 8th at 6:00 p.m. I believe it will be a fish fry with great raffle and auction items. The price will be $35 per ticket and you will be able to get tickets at Virg’s, Patriot Sportfishing, Four Seasons Outfitters, and from members of the board of directors. I have not printed up the tickets yet, so wait a week before you try to purchase tickets. NOTE: In an earlier letter to members of the CCFCC that was printed here it said that the dinner would be on April 15. THAT IS INCORRECT. When we discovered that April 15 is the day before Easter Sunday, we changed the date.
In upcoming postings I will be addressing the current status of:
1. The 2006 salmon season
2. The 2006 rockfish season
3. The problems in getting a longer rockfish season
4. The status of the MLPA process
5. The status of the lawsuit by Coastside Fishing Club to stop the MLPA process
Mel de la Motte
President of CCFCC |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 9:12 pm: | |
Regarding Habor Seal diet I found the following:
Diet:
The adult harbor seal enjoys a diet of mollusks, crustaceans, squid and a variety of fish including herring, rockfish, flounder, salmon, hake and sand lance. They can consume five to six percent of their body weight each day (~10-18 pounds). Water is generally obtained from their food.
Full report at:
http://www.aquariumofniagara.org/aquarium/harbor_seal.htm |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 8:08 pm: | |
Good Time writes: "We had a sea lion jump into our boat last year while we were trolling for salmon out of Morro Bay. He bared his teeth at us! You think its okay to shoot at him then?"
I'd ask him to get out first, bullets and boat hulls don't mix! |
Badger (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 6:46 pm: | |
There can be no MPAs without our participation, period. We are being railroaded once again as we
were at the Channel Islands. |
Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 5:28 pm: | |
If you want to get more info on the possible salmon closures, you can type in San Fransisco Chronicle on your computer and then bring up the fishing report by Brian Hoffman. It says that there is a big meeting in Seattle this Monday to determine the fate of the salmon season.
Sissy |
Another Toy (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 4:13 pm: | |
The sea lions that are following behind the boats fishing are a major concern. The sea lion has learned to follow the boat and get his easy dinner. This sea lion should be eliminated.
I know years ago commerical fishermen shot these sea lions because they were taking their paycheck of off the lines. I think that eliminating of these animals that are depending on the fisherman to provide a meal should be shot. |
Good Time (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 3:36 pm: | |
We had a sea lion jump into our boat last year while we were trolling for salmon out of Morro Bay. He bared his teeth at us! You think its okay to shoot at him then? |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Username: Windfall
Post Number: 177
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 2:07 pm: | |
A follow up on the Kellogg reapointment. We all need to voice on this.
Dear Mr. Stacey, Mr.Mastrup, and Fishery Mangaer Ota,
In recent letter to Governor Schwarzenegger from the following organizations;
National Resource Defense Council, Defenders of Wildlife, Surfrider Foundation, Sierra Club, California Coastkeeper Alliance, The Ocean Conservancy, Heal the Bay, Animal Protection Instutute and The Humane Society of the United States
allegations were made against Commissioner Kellog. Respectfully recognizing the right of these groups to not support Jim Kellog, I also believe the Department has a certain responsibility to the Governers Office to accurately represent management decisions when they are mis-represented and to repudiate allegations of meddling in staff removal of a staff biologist. I reprint the section of the letter I take exception to:
"Again, when Department of Fish and Game biologists presented peer-reviewed evdence that San Francisco Bay herring populations were collapsing, Mr. Kellog disregarded that evidence and voted to increase fishing pressure. He openly expressed disapproval not only of the herring population assessme4nts, but also requested that one of the staff biologists be removed." |
Robert L Bishop Jr (Rob_bishop)
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 12:42 pm: | |
COULD WE USE HARPOONS WITH EXPLODIND TIPS ,LIKE SAY AN RPG |
jocelyn jodar (Jocelyn)
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 9:32 am: | |
I propose the NMFS license a handful of limited entry commercial or charter outfits to cull sea lions. F&G could issue tags to sport anglers/hunters just as they do for deer, elk etc. To make it more interesting and sporting make it a HARPOON fishery, give the fur bags a chance to get away. I know lots of guys that would purchase tags.
When you walk onto a dock and there is a sign that warns you to keep an eye on your small pets and children because of sea lions....there are too many fur bags.
Sharpen your harpoons! |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Post Number: 129
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 8:51 am: | |
That is a great article. It actually states my point very well; basically that seals and sea lions have the capacity to consume large amounts of fish and are a definite pain in the ass to fishermen, they are not to blame for our declining fisheries. Let's have the real issues take precedent over the easy scapegoat. I do think that they should have a bounty on sea lions, they are definitely smart and learn where the feeding is good. The general public would be pissed if we started shooting them though! It will probably never happen!
As Paul Harvey would say "and the rest of the story" (this is the remainder of that same article).
Fishermen
A great deal of pressure to allow the killing of seals and sea lions has come from fishermen. Some fishermen have reported losing more than half of their catch their Fishermen regularly lose half or more of their catch this way, and often some gear. Yet many fishermen themselves, frustrated as they are with their losses, see shooting sea lions as an unsatisfactory solution. Zeke Grader, director of the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations explained that once fishermen get fish on their hooks or in their nets, the sea lions "figure out how to get the food. Grader added that non-lethal deterrents such as seal bombs, shooting away from the sea lions, recorded sounds of orcas (predators of sea lions), and treating fish with a bad-tasting solution "are not working." He pointed to the need for more research and noted that"responsible fishery advocates are not saying the sea lions are the problem. Clearly, it's been the severe habitat degradation." He cited the need for long-term habitat restoration efforts, including upstream and upslope regulations, coldwater releases from dams, removal of small hydroelectric dams, better fish screens in diversions to small streams, and better flow regimes. The key thing is "to protect watersheds." As far as sea lions, Grader said, "I'm fearful about what NMFS has proposed. They're saying go ahead and kill sea lions. This is going to create a more dangerous situation on the ocean and a big public relations problem for the reputation of the fishing industry." He reiterated that there would still be a huge salmonid management problem even "if we had no sea lions."
Solutions and Decisions
One proposed solution to avoid the killing of seals and sea lions is to pursue temporary relocation of pinnipeds from key areas to protect the fish while buying time for remediation of the real causes of fish depletion.
Meanwhile, NMFS's proposed solution continues to generate intense criticism for scapegoating marine mammals and failing to address the real threats to the fish. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Username: Fiesta
Post Number: 60
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 11:28 pm: | |
Jay, if that happens (federally approved killing program), I hope they put a bounty on them to subsidise the fishing industry. It could also become a sport. I bet Darby would pay for a commercial passenger vessel sea lion stamp for each of his boats. Beats the heck out of sanddab fishing. |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Username: Windfall
Post Number: 176
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 6:27 pm: | |
It is very important that we all write letters to the governor in support of commissioner Kellogg. See the folling:
Dear Coastsiders and Pres Bob Franko,
An effort has been mounted to have F&G Commissioner Kellog not reapointed. This is not only bad news, the central objections forwarded by NRDC, Sierra Cub, Surfriders Foundation, Ocean Conservancy, Humane Society, and others are misleading at best and false at worse. Most recently and relevantly to CoastsideFishingClub, Kellog successfully advocated and was able to modify Commissioner Flores opinion last year, regarding Klamath in-river sport allottment. Had he not been successful, there would have been NO sport or commercial salmon allocation available for the ocean fishers last year until September. Real Crazy.
Please take a moment to review below clarifications and attachments and if you feel Kellog to be qualified, notify the governors office of your support of the Kellog renomination immediately. Encourage other civic groups and trade organizations to take an interest, the greater marine products industry has a huge financial stake in the furtherance of recreational fishing this summer.
I have attached a rebuttal to a similar attempt to remove Commissioner Hendrickson and smear Kellog 2 years ago. They were successful in removing Hendrickson, it will be a sad day if they are succesful again and remove Kellog.
governor@governor.ca.gov Attention: Alice Dowdin/regarding Fish and Game Commission appointment
Ernie Koepf |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 4:16 pm: | |
An article on the International Marine Mamal Project website stated the following
about Sea Lion numbers.
“Pacific Harbor Seals and California Sea Lions Scapegoated, Targeted
After 25 years of protection, California sea lions may soon be targets of a large-scale federally approved killing program. Sea lions are estimated to number more than 150,000 in California, Oregon, and Washington waters, up from a low estimate of 15,000 in the early 1970's. Pacific harbor seals total approximately 300,000, with 250,000 of these in Alaskan waters. “
For complet article go to:
http://www.earthisland.org/immp/archive_seal1.htm |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 3:47 pm: | |
www.pelicannetwork. net/salmon.tappingtrinity.htm
this is the web site that talkes about this. |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 3:34 pm: | |
found a web site that says that all of the salmon in california and 50% for oregon all come from the sacramento river.
august/ 28/ 03
this was after those fish died on the klamath river. |
Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 11:01 am: | |
I just returned from the Miami boat show to find that we appear to be in trouble here. What's this salmon closure talk? As some of you know, I met with Broderick a couple of years or so ago, through a mutual friend about another issue that I am adamant about (near shore stocks). I have to admitt the meeting was disappointing. It all
comes down to one thing, and that is money, and who has it. I was sickened to discover some of the things that the Ca. F&G was up to, and where a large portion of their revenue came from.
I just got finished with a refit on the Sissy for salmon. I hope it was money well spent.
What can I do, at this point to help? I think there is many of us asking this question.
I went pretty far last time to try to get through, but I believe it was all in vain.
I saw first hand while on the east coast that the fisherman have a bigger hammer there. There is sportfisherman there that spend millions on fishing boats. Lots of them. Unfortunetly, we don't seem to have the power on this coast.
And the sea lions and seals. I doubt that there will ever be a balance again. Ca. wants the tourist revenue, and the tourist love the sea lions. I talked to several tourist from around the world that thought we were so lucky to have all these seals. We all know how devistating the seal population is on the salmon.
But, I found out about that BIG eco money behind the preservation of the seal population, and got even more frustrated. I advocated the importation of some Whites, which might help, but was scorned for that foolish idea. Anyway, the Sissy is in for a march or a dragooning or whatever, but I want to fish in my remaining years and am looking at letting them have Ca. and moving to where I can fish 90% of the year. Let me know if I can help.
Sissy
Another note, Sad to see Gianini's closing, but we knew that they could not survive in this environment. |
Bob Hather (Windfall)
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 8-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:27 am: | |
Here is the kind of misleading info the enviros are sending. It makes me so mad to see these deceitful tactics.
Bob Hather
Hi Robert,
Our oceans are in serious jeopardy. Overfishing and dangerous fishing practices have put nearly a third of our known fish populations close to extinction and large sea animals have declined by 90 percent.
Two years ago, Environment California helped pass legislation that will stop overfishing and help restore the oceans off the coast of California, now we need to extend these protections to federal waters off of California and around the country. To do so we need Sen. Barbara Boxer to strengthen the limits on overfishing in federal fishing legislation.
Please ask Sen. Boxer to prioritize ocean protections by signing on to our oceans petition, and then ask your family and friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them.
To take action, click here or paste this link into your Web browser:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/action/oceans/boxerpetition
Background:
Our oceans are critical to the survival of life on our planet. They are home to more than 97 percent of all life on Earth, and help control our climate, provide more oxygen than rain forests, and shelter countless animal species. Unfortunately, our ecologically vital oceans are at risk.
In report after report, scientists have documented the declining health of our oceans and the continuing depletion of important fish populations. On the west coast, populations of rockfish have been reduced by 90-95 percent by overfishing. In the Gulf of Mexico, the numbers of species like red snapper and grouper are at all time lows and not rebuilding according to the most recent assessments by scientists.
The Pew Oceans Commission concluded in 2003 that, "The principle problem is that we catch too many fish, and far too quickly for nature to replace."
"Currently we know of 93 U.S. fish populations that are already overfished or that are currently being fished at unsustainable rates - nearly a third of the 304 fish populations that scientists have assessed. The majority of the already overfished populations are still being fished unsustainably...."
We can stop overfishing and help our oceans to recover, but only if we have a strong law that bans overfishing and has real penalties for fishing sectors that go over their annual quotas.
Please take a moment to sign a petition asking Sen. Boxer to strengthen the limits on overfishing in the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation Act (S. 2012).
To take action, click here or paste this link into your web browser:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/action/oceans/boxerpetition
Sincerely,
Dan Jacobson
Environment California Legislative Director DanJ@environmentcalifornia.org http://www.EnvironmentCalifornia.org |
lineman7 (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:20 am: | |
Steve,
I appreciate your post and I agree man is 100% responsible for the decline in our ocean fisheries. But man is also responsible for declines in land animals(eg. buffalos, grizzely bears, etc.). No one advocates a return to historical populations for these species. Would you advocate reintroducing grizzely bears to Los Osos Valley?
To have marine mammals return to their "historic levels" would be population levels in 1900 or earlier before their was significant human intervention. Should not sustainable healthy population numbers be determined for sea mammals as is now done for native land mammals?
There could and should be harvesting of sea mammals (as is done for deer on land, for example) to keep their populations in check. To wait for disease to wipe them out when their populations explode, is inhumane and poor ecological management as the excessive population would do extensive harm to the environment. These animals have commerial value for their meat and blubber. I bet there is a market for sea lion meat in Asia, for example. An open season for Sea Lions at the mouth of the Columbia River during Salmon runs would do much to stop the senseless slaughter of this endangered fish. |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 7:49 am: | |
Madder than hell and not gonna take it anymore; call me an extremist if you wish but here it is:
I'd be willing to support, help organize and participate in a march on the captitol or wherever--like farmers have done with their tractors, truck drivers with their rigs. Count me IN.
I'm at the point where civil disobedience, unrest, and if necessary a full on riot are all plausible options to consider--and this from a conservative, normally law abiding & flag-waving patriot. As previously stated have been watching this crap advance for 18+ years and enough is enough. The current & proposed state of affairs is blatantly unfair & absurd. Apparently the "powers that be" are NOT getting the message. Time to TURN UP THE VOLUME IMHO. Cloud out. |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 7:45 am: | |
The Fred Hall show is this week at the Long beach convention center... lots of good stuff to look at (Bongo girls) and usually the new tackle is shown there a year before it is any of the tackle mags. it's 3/1-3/7 I think.
Bloody Decks Forever!! |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Post Number: 79
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Michele,
You are classic! I need to fish on the Fiesta more often.
Will |
anonymous (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:11 pm: | |
MAYBE THIS IS GOING TO FAR MAYBE NOT COULD A MARCH ON THE STATE CAPITOL BY FISHERMEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN BE SOMETHING TO DO? |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 6:41 pm: | |
If you think I'm a "homeland security type" you don't know me very well. In fact, I don't mind being dragooned for the purpose you were talking about. Let me know ahead of time and I will stock the boat! |
DEN UEDA (Tin_can)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 6:21 pm: | |
Ray, and any other boaters who reads this site, and anyone who fishes should still send hardcopies to the gov. senators, and all the fore mentioned sites in this board. ITS IS NOT TO LATE TO SEND LETTERS, COME ON GUYS, IF WE DONT STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS, TUNA WILL BE NEXT. DEN TINCANCAPTIN |
jocelyn jodar (Jocelyn)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 2:37 pm: | |
Blackie
look at opyachts.com in Oxnard, they had some of those nearshore permits for sale, not cheap
tight lines
Jocelyn |
Blackie Jr / Killer B's (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:21 am: | |
I'm looking for two nearshore commercial permits to buy if anyone is interested in getting out of the industry. Seems that DFG has created a system where I have to buy two and retire one to get one issued in my name. I guess they also need to be current permits since they automatically are revoked if they are not paid each year. I can be contacted at 805-431-5112 Thanks, Matt |
Mike Green (Caster)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:00 am: | |
I believe its an old term that equates to being "pressed" as when the old british navy would go around and "take" people to work on the ships
with press gangs, I read it somewhere as a kid in one of those cheap pirate novels, It's probably just a colorful expression misused by that author. There were British fighting units called Dragoons too.
I do hope you realise that my tounge was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that! (gotta watch out for those homeland security types) |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 7:23 am: | |
Re: MLPA's, Closures, etc. & Funding
It always boils down to MONEY.
Circa 1988 the state figured out a way to fund their "unfunded programs". In the last 18 years more of these have been put in place than at any other period in history. How do they do it? Enact USER FEES; the mechanism is already in place in the Fishing License. Take a look at what's happened--used to get ocean only for ~$15. or so coupla years ago. License is now close to $40. Expect that to be over $100. within 5 years. We'll not only get screwed with closures and lower limits but get to pay for an expanding CA DFG empire as well. It will likely start with a $5.00 stamp to get us used to the idea. Then they'll whie about how much their expanding empire really costs to run and it will go up 50-75% per year till fully funded--or more as frustrated fishermen give up and fewer of us are left to pay the bill.
Any businessman with experience in Ca. Hazardous Material/Waste regs will recognize the scheme immediately. State passes laws for local agency to implement, but no funding. So they authorize the local agency to collect fees to recover 100% of the costs. Watch for same or similar to happen w/DFG. It's already been proven they cannot implement with existing budget & manpower.
Future not looking so good to me. Yep it's time to stand up and be counted. Cloud out. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 8:11 pm: | |
Caster, what does dragoon mean? |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 7:07 pm: | |
Thanks Jim Chandler. Are you a member of Coastside, is that why you got the email and I did not maybe?
Sad to say I was not able to get any letters out except an email to the Gov. Time to go over to Coastside and register methinks. If I had one more day notice would have made the diff.
We are literally being ripped off. I can only hope it makes others as angry as I am. Cloud out. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 12:21 pm: | |
Want a laugh? Check the PETA website link at the top of the page. Who let that one through?
Will |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 12:11 pm: | |
Make sure and Send it to the Ocean Salmon Project. These are the guys who basically make the regs for salmon. They are a specific group inside DFG! Talk about confusing!
Specifically send your messages and faxes and dead fish and seal steaks to
Ocean Salmon Project
Attn: Allen Grover
475 Aviation BLVD, STE 130
Santa Rosa, CA 95403
(707) 576-2878
FAX (707) 576-7132 |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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I know it makes it more cumbersome but perhaps this site is in need of a registration process to keep the riff-raff "anonymous" posters at bay. |
Jim Chandler (Onporpoise)
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Ray Cloud,
This is an E-Mail I Got from Coastside Fishing Club.
Coastsiders
We have a crises that paternally will change your fishing for the rest of your life, and cause economic disaster at an unprecedented level to a fishing industry, and we are the target.
I ask you in the strongest language to stand up and be counted, I need everyone on this not just the same guys. There are 12000 members and I want everyone of you, this is that important. If you choose to sit on the sidelines on this, that will tell me and the rest of the political team we are just wasting our time, because you could care less whether there is a salmon season or not. We have have many things going on a lawsuit over MLPA funding etc. We are working full time for you please stand up and be counted on this one.
As you are all aware by now we are faced with an impending disaster to our 2006 ocean salmon season. Due to the dangerously low natural spawning of salmon in the Klamath, our salmon season is going to be shut down this year unless we do something about it. The plan being proposed would see an end to fishing as we know it. In order to fend off a looming economic and social catastrophe we are urging you to get involved. We need EVERY member of the fishing community, their friends, family, and even their enemies to send a letter to the Governor, Director Broderick, and Secretary of Resources Chrisman urging them to support what we are calling the “Ticehurst Plan”. If accepted, this plan would allow us to continue to enjoy what is our most valuable marine resource while giving the Pacific Fisheries Management Council an opportunity to revisit their management strategy for the Klamath Chinook Salmon fishery.
We are asking you to write hard-copy letters and email (do both if you can!) to the Governor, your state assemblymen, Secretary of Resources Chrisman, and Director of Fish and Game Broddrick. Timing is critical and they really need to go out by the end of the day on Monday the 27th.
Please emphasize the financial disaster this would mean for our state, along with any your personal feelings about a salmon season closure based upon some antiquated notions of fishery management.
Here is the TICEHURST PLAN:
"I have been working with Roger Thomas and others to come up with a solution that makes sense. After much discussion with everyone, here is what I would like to propose in Seattle next week at the PFMC meeting.
I am going to propose an emergency action similar to the proposal that I made one year ago.
I will propose to suspend the 35,000 natural spawner "floor" in the Klamath for 18 months and to establish a season similar to that of last year for both recreational and commercial fishing. I will propose to refer the issue of the "floor" to the appropriate committees to reevaluate and analyze its relevance in the light of the latest scientific information and the deteriorated condition of the river.
My rationale for doing so is the economic disaster associated with the draconian steps we would have to make in our fishery management season for salmon this year. In addition to the economic impact however, is the fact that the latest science calls into question the rationale for protection of natural spawners. Further, the health of the river has changed the management equation and until the river is returned to health and has adequate flows the old management rules are not pertinent.
When I last proposed a similar floor motion it failed 7 to 6 and the swing vote was the vote against by California Fish and Game. I will need the public's support in convincing F&G to revisit their position, which I think they should do in light of the latest science and the economic consequences to California.
Darrell Ticehurst
PFMC Council Member and proud member of Coastside"
The governor is reached at:
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633
To send an Electronic Mail please visit:
http://www.govmail.ca.gov
Mike Chrisman is the Secretary of Resources and reports to the governor, and can be reached at
Resources Agency
1416 Ninth Street, Suite 1311
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 653-5656
(916) 653-8102 fax
Ryan Broddrick is the Director of the Department of Fish and Game and reports to the Secretary of Resources, and can be reached at
CA Department of Fish & Game
1416 Ninth Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 653-7667
(916) 653-7387 fax
Here is the link to find your State assemblyman, and your state senator - enter your zip code and the names and addresses come up:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html
We need you, don’t drop the ball.
Bob Franko |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Gentlemen:
The other side is quite literally counting on in-fighting. Lets remember a most basic tactic--the enemy of our enemy is our friend.
Now more than ever we need to present a united front to fight unnecessary, unreasonable closures & fishing regs based on bad (or non-existent) science. Can anyone post a link or info to the key regulators and/or legislators--the ones that need to see letters opposing the current and proposed state of affairs? I went to Coastside and couldnt quickly find anything relevant. We need to know:
--Who to write the letters to
--Content suggestions
--When to send them with more than one day advance notice
That this state couldnt manage a goldfish bowl rings loud n clear, as does regulatory revolution. I am a regulatory compliance consultant and what you see here on this website is only a speck off the tip of the iceberg. Government by the people for the people is broken and our freedoms are in serious jeapordy. Stand up and fight--or be steamrolled.
You can count me IN on regulatory revolution; ALL IN. Have seen the baloney progressing for over 20 years now and also have had enough. Time for return of common sense to government. Cloud out. |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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you think sealions don't have an effect on fish.
the have a big impact on fish in rivers .
they sit just below dams and wait for their pray.
they need to put a bounty on seals/sealions to to many.
need to put up fences up all along beaches from morro bay to montery to keep sealions off the beaches.
if the can't get to the beaches the can't have there calves.
or just get a purse sane and round the all up and dispose of them. |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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five minutes of google searching will show that most people believe that the sea lions have reached or surpased historical population levels......when darn near every kind of fish out there has been declared below historic levels, how can anyone in thier right mind advocate a population of sea lions anywhere near the level they are now??...back in the late 1800's , the U.S. fish and game dept. declared that there were too many and culled thousands...since then dams have been built, pollution has exploded, human population has exploded, too many fish were harvested, on and on....of course the sea lions are not responsible for fisheries decline.but untill the fisheries are back to historic levels , it is insane to allow the sea lions to continue the population growth ... i think it's a simple resource management issue. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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Anonymous,
You're right...excuse me for a few minutes (Arrr!!!!Ahhhh!!!!!!)....O.K. I'm back.
Why don't you post your name?
Moderators, can we delete posts with cussing?
Thanks,
steve |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Steve,
Right on bro. Nice to hear from another biologist, fisherman, surfer.
Will |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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No where in my post did I say that I advocate the protection of sea lions or the return to 1900 population levels. All I am saying is, don't blame the sea lions for the decline of our fisheries. Do they eat a lot of fish? Yes. Do I hate them when they take my salmon each year or my yellowtail off San Marcos Island? Hell yes! Are they the cause of any fishery declining? No. Carrying capacity is the maximum number of individuals that the environment can support based upon the availble resources (food, habitat, etc.). Their populations will level off when they approach historical numbers (which they are beginning to do). Sea lions are not a hot potato, but any biologist will not put the blame for a a declining fishery on a native species that has lived and evolved with other organisms for thousands of years. There would be plenty of fish for both humans and native species to harvest out of the sea, as long as people don't harvest too many. And yes, I would love to see grizzly bears and wolves reintroduced back into their native habitats.
It is true that the population of elephant seals is exploding. But don't worry, the e-seals don't compete with us...they feed mostly off of B.C. and Alaska in very deep waters far from shore. Impressive animals, they can dive for over 30 minutes to depths @ 5,000 feet. Don't worry, given the genetic bottleneck that these animals went through in the late 1800's, they'll surely be wiped out by disease at some point. And yes that may mean an increase in white shark populations, but I think that would be a good thing too (and yes I do surf). |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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clark
here are couple of trout that i caught.
one on the left is 22 3/4" other is 21 1/2 "
only catch these trout from november to april. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Oh yeah, I also only use Maxima Ultragreen line. It is super strong for its diameter and it has never let me down. Change it when it starts looking bleached out (after 20 or so uses). Makes a difference for me.
Will |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Tony,
Reels are designed for certain ranges of line strengths. Normally a reel will have a label telling the capacity (length) of various line strengths. You can exceed the line stength to a point on any given reel. For example, I run 25 lb Maxima on my salmon reels that are rated for 17 lb. line. I cannot imagine using anything over 30 lb. test unless it is on an albacore jig rod (trolling) along the Central Coast. I use 12lb. to 20 lb. line for halibut and rock fish, 25 lb. for salmon trolling, 25 to 30 lb. for baitfishing albacore, and 40 lb. for trolling for albacore. Have fun..
Will |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Your right on lineman ,twice this year I have been on San Simeon and Cambria beachs , surf fishing , and both times have been scolded by park rangers for being in the area , in one instance I was not even aware that there was a seal in the area , I was not bothering them, so like you say pertty soon they run out of room at the light house location, maybe we could steer them to MONTERAY area like lovers leap or better yet the warf would be a good spot for them stinky fur balls,I dont think there are enough Whites to even put a dent in the population, the only thing that will thin the population besides MAN would be some kind of sickness.
I know that if im on the beach fishing Im not leaving because of no seal , they can take me away in cuffs and will let the judge sort it out.
I think the idea of just going out and fish is a good idea , like they have the manpower or the space to put us all in jail , we pay for our licences for the year not half or whatever piecemeal tidbit they throw to us .
No Salmon season now because some farmers got the water instead of the fish, like i said the other day this state could not mamage a goldfish bowl.
Maybe by the time I get back from Idaho in late May this will all be sorted out and just be a bad DREAM.
Blackie/Sr |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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sea lions, i hate them....steve, what does "carrying capacity " mean?...since the early 80's the population has increased between 6 and 10 percent EVERY YEAR...what makes you think the "population will most likely level off"?...it will level off when there is nothing left for them to eat..
it seems to me the subject of sea lions is a hot potato with biologists, nobody wants to admit the problem...it also seems to me that a population cap needs to be set... determine just how many of these bstrds we want to put up with then when that population is reached, cull some. i think we are way past that population point and the culling should begin in earnest. |
lineman7 (Unregistered Guest)
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In response to Steve's (Fishmaster) post of 2/24/06 regarding sea mammals. Steve, you appear to be advocating a return to stock levels of 1900 for marine mammals. Would this not result in the end of all human consumption of sea life? Would you also advocate a return to 1900 stock levels for Grizzly Bears, Wolves and other land based preditors? Would not maintaining a healthy sustainable population of sea mammals (and no more) protect them adequately and provide more of the sea's resouces for people?
Another general comment not really related to your post. One situation of a shortsited approach to protecting all sea mammals at any cost appears to be developing in San Simeon, which may impact us locally. In round numbers, according to the San Simeon Elephant Seal Docents, the Elephant Seal population that winter's in San Simeon has increased to 10,000 animals with several thousand births this year. That is a population increase of over 20% per year. If the present trend continues the Elephant Seal population would expode to over 60,000 animals in 10 years (2015). Six times the current number. There are already reports of the Elephant Seal Colony overflowing into nearby areas (with human use being curtailed). As these animals realize they are protected, those of us in Estero Bay, Morro Bay and Avila Bay, as well as those further north, could begin to see Elephant Seal colonies established on our beaches. Does anyone know what impact these 1,000+ pound animals have on our local marine life, including plants, fish, nonvertebrate marine life and other marine mammals? It has to be significant already. For example, Great White Shark sitings could increase as nature begins to counter the exploding Elephant Seal population. It seems to me this is a situation which should be managed by the DFG and other Marine regulators before it gets further out of control. |
clark (Unregistered Guest)
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white salmon steelhead |
clark (Unregistered Guest)
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HEY BITE ME do you ever fish the WHITE SALMON RIVER. MY bro lives in Federal Way and fishes there in the FALL 6-7 weekends.Always fishes it at night 8pm-4am. I usally go up Labor day weekend.already have airline ticket for this year.here is a photo 4.5 years ago. hope my picture shows |
roger (Unregistered Guest)
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So, this is what happens when our government mismanages water. A real eye opener.
http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/earthjustice/g eneral_video/klamath/dead_fish_smil.smi |
Tony M (Unregistered Guest)
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I have a question about reels and their line rating. I have a Penn two speed 10KG with line rated at 20lbs by Penn. It’s a fairly beefy reel for a 20lb test rating so would like to use it as my 40 lb outfit with 10 lb drag. Is that something I could do without destroying the reel – and what the heck do those reel line rating mean anyway? Appreciate your help...Tony |
Mike Green (Caster)
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That's a great idea, Lets fill up one of those whale watching boats out of MB, dragoon the skipper, hoist the old jolly roger, put on eyepatches. Go rock fishing, then keelhaul the frirst F&G guy that shows up!
ARGHH! shiver me timbers! |
jocelyn jodar (Jocelyn)
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Let's all go fishing without licenses and during closures. What are they going to do? arrest all of us?
Had enough of this!
Tight Lines
Jocelyn |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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No! Not Gianinnis? I was hoping they'de stay open after the owner passed away but I guess not. That's sad!
I think the fuel dock you're referring to is DeGarimore's (unrelated) but maybe there's another I'm unaware of.
Man, this is getting ridiculous with all this regulation. Before you know it, we'll all need to get our phd's in Fisheries/Game Management and a law degree just so we will know what, where, and when we can fish and hunt in this state. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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I wonder if the GOVENATOR has ever had a ROD in his hand, Saw the news last week they had the bluefin out haressing the commerical guys, if you guys need some hip boots and any other gear looks like GIANNINIS will be closing the doors , the hip boots are $5.00 a pair , lots of STUFF also, I guess thats just another business that the fishing clousers have taken down, they have been around a lond time , I think they also own the fuel dock .
Blackie/Sr
PS dont screw with my perch fishin |
Mike Green (Caster)
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Not that that stopped the state from doing weird things, look at the snowy plover mess. |
Mike Green (Caster)
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Don't worry Blackie I heard that they are only going to outlaw the use of Bloody sand worms.
I imagine its greyed out because they have no data. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Yea your right on Jimmer them folks never seen the decks of a boat for sure , If they keep this SH-- up there gonna have a revolt on there hands , when does it stop, or does it I know our for fathers never went thu all this crap with these politicans , I was also noticing the new regs , in the perch section they have it grayed out , WICH MEANS THEY CAN CHANGE IT ANY TIME THEY WANT, I think the dept of fun and games needs to get rid of 3/4 of there staff also , dont need them to enforce when theres no seasons.
Blackie/Sr |
Gary Connell (Pismo_gary)
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test test test |
Jim Lewis (Jimmer)
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I think we are getting the shaft so badly by these people, I'm not sure how much more I can take. This is a link to the bios. of the blue ribbon task force and I have one question, can you see any of these people with a rod in their hands? I for one can't even imagine one of them on a fishing boat,I'm having a very bad feeling about the future of sport fishing... Bloody Decks Forever!!
Link: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/mlpa/brtf_bios.html |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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well if you don't think sealions have an effect on salmon. then come up to the bonneville dam in washington stste and you can see the effect.
f g tried to get rid of them but with no sucess.
they were eating salmon going up the fish ladders.
because of the seals/sealions they have closed 3 of our small rivers because of sealions.
what is really nice is that the INDIANS can kill any seal/sealion they see that is below the dam this year.so more salom go up river to span...
fish bioligest have had there hand in killing fish.
they should leave them alone things would be better.
they need to open the fish hatcheries on the lower columbia river.
instead they closed 5 hatcheries.
now no fish return to these waters.
back in the 70's 10 to 20 thousand salmon would
go up the river to span. |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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We all have vested interest in this issue. I know quite a few folks in the Morro Bay area that make the trek up to Moss to fish salmon every year. I'm posting this without the moderators approval for that I'm sorry but I think this issue way to important to not post. This web site is a primarliy a fishing web where everyone can report thier catch, well guess what if we don't take action we won't be reporting any fish counts. Please look at the Coastside Sportfishing Club web site and get informed. They have example letters to send and the addresses. |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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The only good news of the bad is it would be closed NORTH of Point Sur. Allow us to at least fish for salmon |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Dear Fish and Game,
I have just become aware of the potential closure of the 2006 salmon season and I would like to express my concern. I have fished off the waters of Morro Bay for the last 30 years, and salmon fishing is the main type of fishing I do. I am a sport fisherman only and I only take enough salmon for my family’s personal consumption. I obey the laws, I am the president of Central Coast Salmon Enhancement, and I am trained as a biologist.
My understanding is that the Klamath salmon runs are in jeopardy due to an extensive kill in 2002 related to water quantity and quality. As a result, plans are in place to close the salmon season for the entire state of California after May 1.
My experience is that salmon caught off of Morro Bay primarily come from the Sacramento River system, which remains healthy in terms of salmon runs. I would suggest that our area be open to sport salmon fishing in 2006. Economically, the closure would be a disaster to areas already experiencing severely limited ground fish seasons. Central Coast Salmon Enhancement, a conservation and fish rearing non-profit would almost certainly have to end our fish rearing operation if we were no longer supported by local salmon fishermen who could no longer fish.
I thank you in advance for considering our concerns.
Sincerely,
Will Bateman
President, Central Coast Salmon Enhancement |
Jack Scarbrough (Valhalla)
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If you want to write letters about the proposed salmon closure here is another good address. It is fgc@fgc.ca.gov We must write these letters by Monday. I have already written mine. I stressed economic impact and alternative options. ie. alternating fishing days two open two closed etc. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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There are actually still some sea going steelhead trout in the Santa Ynez. My buddy has traps on a few of the tributaries below the dams and captures adults and juveniles each year...when there is enough water. Fish ladders would be great, but I doubt the S.B. will kick down the money for them! |
Michael Gorgita (Gdoggsb)
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The last few steelhead in the Santa Ynez are landlocked behind the three dams that block their path to the ocean. I fished the Juncal dam area for years..catch and release with barbless hooks and the population of steelhead there is genetically intact. Maybe you guys should build some fishladders and repopulate the river. The whole deal with the southern salmon is the same story.. dams that block the rivers f-up the salmon and the seals and us do the rest. Add the politics of our wonderful government and stir. There are no dams in Alaska hence the salmon can handle the pressure of everything killin them. |
Steve Hendricks (Fishmaster)
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I promised myself I wouldn't respond to the fishery biologist bashing and all the blame resting on our native marine species...but I just can't take it anymore.
As far as fisheries biologist go: they are working their asses off and getting paid very little money (I have friends with phd's making @ 40 k per year, but do it because they love it). Most of these folks love fish and have devoted their life to trying to save what is left. I have another friend who is a fish bio for the F.S. in Washington. He fights every single day (unfortunately mostly within the F.S.) to try to protect the last remaining steelhead and salmon in the Wenatche River. Another friend that works feverishly to protect the last few steelhead within the Santa Ynez River. It is a tough battle, but he has been doing it for 12 years now and they are seeing some results. So quit bashing biologist and start bashing or continue bashing the administrators/politicians that disreguard the biologists reports and do what they want (Biologist told the B. of Rec. months before those fish died on the Klamath that they would. Ca. still has a lawsuit pending against the B. of Rec.)
If I hear one more post about how the sea lions are to blame for our fisheries declining or sea otters to blame for the decline of abalone or the pismo clam...come on folks, let's not be short-sighted and blame others (especially organisms) for our declining fisheries!
I've read many papers about sea lions and they all indicate that their populations are approaching historic levels(http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/PR2/Stock_Assessment_Program/Pinnipeds/CA_ Sea_Lion_(U.S.)/PO03casealion.pdf), rebounding from human hunting in the early 1900's. This does not mean that they are overpopulated, but they are beginning to reach carrying capacity. Their population will most likely level off in the next few years and probably decline during El Nino's or other years of poor ocean conditions. While native species can impact the populations of other native species who's populations are declining or depressed, they are not the cause for the decline.
Salmon, for example, are declining in their southern range because their spawning habitat has been blocked off, destroyed or severely degraded. If you have never been to Alaska, you really can walk across the backs of salmon to cross some of their rivers. It is truly amazing. Why are there so many salmon in AK? They fish the wholly snot out of the salmon, there are millions of natural predators (sea lions, seals, otters, orca whales, beluga whales, etc...) and their habitat is pristine! Hey, habitat! If we have good habitat and don't harvest too many fish, fish can easily replace themselves. Unfortunately, we either destroy the habitat or harvest too many fish to allow them to replace themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I love fish and fishing more than anyone else in the world and I kill a lot of fish.
I just want folks to place blame in the right place: politicians and administrators...not biologists and native species. See these articles on the "Fate of Our Oceans" (http://www.motherjones.org/news/featurex/2006/03/oceans_index.html)
Sorry for the rant.
best fishes,
steve
P.S. I need to go fishing! |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 8:27 am: | |
I dont know WHO anonymos is , but he must be an ENVIRONMENTALIST, PINKO COMMIE, FUR LOVIN ,NON FISHING IDIOT,
Why dont you go PLAY on the FREEWAY.
Blackie/Sr |
bite-me (Unregistered Guest)
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no michele
they have closed 3 rivers down for 5 years.
they also say there aren't enough fish reaching the hatcheries.f g aren't taking enough eggs,some or most are becoming human food.
where i live in eastern washington the river is open all year.
but we don't salmon, stealhead on this part of the river.
sealions are the main reason why the salmon population is disapearing.
miss mangenment by dep of f g. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Carl,
You got to ge off that coke, man. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Wow! Never thought I would see politics on this site. Let's get Ross Perot to run again. Oops, forgot about all those coral reefs he demolished. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Jay, at least you still have the rivers... right? |
