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Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Friends:
Yes, the decision up in Seattle affects both commercial and recreational salmon fishing. However, I am still looking for info on whether the resolution only relates to above Pt. Sur or includes all of California. Let's all keep looking.
Mel |
Eric Reenders (Otterdiver)
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Bob
Unfortunately, PFMC trumbs the DFG regulations. It's being reported that at the meeting this afternoon they decided to issue an emergency closure due to the Klamath fiasco. This effects both sport an commercial.
The question is, did they close it all the way to the Mexico border or just to Pt Sur.
I am so stinking mad! Anyone want to join a class action lawsuit to get out license fees back?
I would love it if the news were wrong! |
bob may (Bodean)
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mike glick has given the web address for the current regs and information. sport regs are listed read them and dont get confused with the commercial regs or upcoming decisions.
best to all, Bob |
bob may (Bodean)
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sport salmon opens april 1st. they are having meetings the first part of april to decide the commercail salmon season.
The closure for salmon appears to be from sur north.
FYI, Bob |
Eric Reenders (Otterdiver)
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Michele
It's up on Coastside. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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where did you get this news? |
Eric Reenders (Otterdiver)
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Bad News From The PFMC
Word is that salmon will not open April 1st. Anyone know if this is just up north or statewide?
Eric |
Jack Gordano (Sixpak)
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The season will open April 1st but will close shortly after if the CDFG and other government agencies get their way. I think they call it an emergency in season closure. If it happens from what I hear it will close by May 1st if not earlier! |
Mike Glick (Riff_raft)
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Mel,
I'm confused. I just checked the regs http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/oceansalmon.html
says salmon opens april 1. What am I missing?
Thanks,
riff |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Friends: The salmon issue is still being debated in Seattle at this moment. The Ticehurst Resolution is still one of the options on the table. Even if the PFMC passes some resolution that gives some form of salmon season to Northern California and Southern Oregon, the federal oversight agency (NOAA) can veto the whole thing... I'll keep you posted.
Mel |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Carl--I dont recognize the acronym so guessing no to your question. I am a self-employed Regulatory Compliance Consultant; I help businesses stay out of trouble with EPA and OSHA. That's why I *need* fishing--to preserve what little, if any, is left of my sanity--no joke. Carl do feel free to contact me via email any time; but remove SPAMFOILER in the address. I started getting loads after posting the real one. Ray
Have you sent your letter(s) today? |
Tsunami (Carl_moore)
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Ray Cloud
I have a non fishing question, are you a member of AIHA? if so what chapter? I'm in the same field as you are and I'd like to see what central coast jobs are out there.
Carl |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Stacey, If you don't mind scrolling down, my post of details is still on this page. Also I'll e-mail you later. Busy w/PTA during the day. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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rubber bloodworms are on the way |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Mel, you da man, thanks for those posts. I have spent about 15 hours in the last 3 days reading MLPA, MLMA, parts of NFMP, NMFS Policy/Operations/How to get involved etc. You can trust it was *not* recreational reading. If anyone wants links, just ask.
Mel just provided more knowledge in 5 minutes reading than those 15 hours generated. The question still remains tho how to get our freedom AHEM season back. I've already sent many letters and that was the info I needed to send many, many more. To cut off the rockfish season for the reasons stated are not, in any stretch, fair.
I read a statement from a fisheries publication back east, something the commercial folks have known for a while: get involved or get ready to do something else. It's that simple. As someone else stated they can't implement this stuff without public input, it is required in the laws. If all they hear from are anti-fishers, THEIR agenda gets foisted on YOU. Write (or copy) letters, make calls, send faxes & e-mails--OR--go out, break your rods in half and throw them (with reels) in the trash can. That should help clear the way for your boat's funeral--won't it look nice in the backyard with flowers growing out the livewell. Cloud out. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Stacey,
After a quick check of my sources, 6.2:1 is the fastest line retrieve I can find. A Shimano Trinadad reel is also offered in a 6.2:1 speed. You should be in good shape to get that bait going ballistic.
Will |
Stacey Meacham (Stacey)
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Michele
What are the details of the upcoming salmon derby?
I also purchased a new torium 30 at virg's a week or so ago, and I'm curious if there is a 4/0 size reel that is faster than 6.2:1? Thanks |
plan b (Unregistered Guest)
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morro bay is going to be one busy landing if they uphold the salmon closure from pt sur north...i won't be complaining though, i might even try and get along with the kayakers...(might)...as we get a little closer you guys should give your gear the once over, especially down rigger wire. the first 40 or 50 feet might look ok but inside that spool were water tends to sit is a nasty rust spot that'll cost you a 15lb ball.i found some decent prices for wire on e-bay. |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Mike: You are right on target. Steve Moore of Patriot Sportfishing asked the CDFG Marine Division the very same question. How did So. California get this in-season adjustment, but we get nothing from our data???? Steve, if you are reading these posts ... why don't you enlighten us as to what CDFG said in response to your questions?
Mel |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Friends: Okay, here is one last posting today on fishing politics. I am sure your brain is already overtaxed on this stuff. Here is a brief summary of the salmon problem now being thoroughly hashed-over at the PFMC meeting in Seattle. I will keep you posted on the results of the that meeting as soon as I hear.
Mel
SUMMARY OF SALMON PROBLEM
The salmon problem is easily stated. The solution to the problem is where the complexity comes in.
The Klamath River has historically been a treasured source of Chinook salmon. Over the years, farmers have drained more and more water out of this river to water their crops. In recent years, water levels have dropped so low that thousands of salmon have been killed and fewer juvenile salmon have been leaving the river out to sea … and of course fewer salmon are returning to spawn. The Bush administration has decided that the farmers are more important and the Klamath River salmon have suffered.
Now we turn to the Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) which is the federal body that regulates salmon fishing on the West Coast. They are obligated to protect the run of wild salmon on the Klamath. Because the returning salmon to the Klamath have dropped down so low, they are considering stopping all recreational and commercial salmon fishing from Pt. Sur north to the Newport, Oregon area. There is no way for a commercial or recreational fisherman to know whether he is catching a salmon bound for the Klamath or not. Therefore, by closing all salmon fishing in this 700-mile stretch of coastline, this will maximize the effort to protect these wild salmon.
There was a proposal to put this issue on hold for 18 months while the PFMC studies the problem. This proposal was made at a prior PFMC meeting by Darrell Ticehurst, a member of the PFMC (and a member of the Coastside Fishing Club). The resolution lost on an 8-7 vote (with the representative the CDFG casting the deciding negative vote). The same proposal will be made to the PFMC this week in Seattle by Darrell Ticehurst. There is a lot of pressure on CDFG to support the resolution this year.
Most “sane” people have suggested that the numbers of Klamath “hatchery” salmon be increased to make up for the drop in numbers of wild salmon. The Indians and environmental groups have said “no way!” They do not want hatchery fish to replace the quotas of wild salmon. They could also clip the dorsal fin of the hatchery raised salmon (which is done with coho on the Rogue River), but again this is meeting resistance. With clipped fins, both recreational and commercial fishermen would be required to release these Chinook, knowing that they are headed back to the Klamath River. It seems to most sane people that careful study is called for (The Ticehurst Resolution), rather than ruining the lives of all the commercial fishermen and ruining recreational salmon fishing for Northern California. |
Mike (Ophiodon)
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What about CRFS? The data they collected in SoCal allowed for an increase in scorpionfish season and depth. When will the data they've been collecting be used here? |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Friends: First I want to CORRECT a mis-statement in that last posting of mine. The "substitute OY" was based on averaging the catch tonnage for the years 1993-1998. I mistakenly said 1998-2002. Otherwise I think the posting is correct.
A friend of mine carefully reviewed the Marine Life Management Act and noticed that the 50% reduction in fishing when the CDFG is "data poor" is not mentioned in the legislation.
This is correct. CDFG imposes this 50% haircut based on the Nearshore Fishery Management Plan (NFMP) which I referred to above. The underlying legislation (MLMA) requires a management plan. This plan took 5 years to draft and contains the 50% language.
If you start reading the NFMP, Section 1, Chapter 3, you will see the following language which I will quote verbatim from the plan:
"There are large gaps in knowledge for most individual NFMP species, with EFI (essential fishery information) limited to catch history and partial life history information, therefore the Commission adopted the following approach in the nearshore fishery interim regulations for cabezon, greenlings, and sheephead: commercial and recreational catch history for the period 1993 through 1998 was averaged to select a proxy for MSY (maximum sustainable yield). Because of the data-poor state of EFI for this fishery, a proxy OY was set at 50 percent of the proxy MSY. The Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) has adopted a similar approach to setting allowable catches for the rockfish that comprise the balance of the species covered by the NFMP."
There is the language that leads to the 50% reduction. One of the more technical problems concerning the gathering of this "essential fishery information" (EFI) is that most of the marine biologists at CDFG believe that only fish stock surveys are of sufficient value to get the state out of this data-poor condition. The CCFCC believes (along with many others) that catch data can also be very valuable as evidence of the abundance and condition of nearshore species. If a species continues to maintain its size and abundance over time ... then it is a species that is not under stress. Recent studies based on catch-surveys along the Central Coast suggest that the nearshore species here are flourishing and are as abundant as any time in the last 25 years. Getting CDFG to accept and assimilate this data ... is a problem. We are working on it.
Mel |
Melvin A. de la Motte, Jr. (Fishinaddict)
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Friends:
I posted something yesterday ... but it is gone today. What happened? Did anyone else see my posting yesterday that was erased? Anyway, I will repeat it again. As I promised last week, I will be doing a series of postings on current fishing politics including the MLPA, salmon season problems, the lawsuit filed by Coastside Fishing Club, and related fishing problems. Below is a summary of the problems causing us to have such a short rockfish season. The CCFCC sees this as one of the key problems for recreational fishermen on the Central Coast. Here are my thoughts.
Mel
WHY CAN’T WE GET A LONGER ROCKFISH SEASON?
The rockfish season is tied to the Nearshore Fishery Management Plan (NFMP). This plan was created by legislative mandate found in the Marine Life Management Act (MLMA). This piece of legislation was passed in 1998 and became law on January 1, 1999. The legislation mandates that the Department of Fish & Game manage the nearshore waters of California and specifically enumerates 19 species of nearshore fish that are to be monitored and regulated. The NFMP took five years in the drafting and is about 400 pages long. It is so ambitious in its undertaking that it will probably never be fully implemented. Millions of dollars were wasted creating this plan, but almost zero has been spent by the state in implementing the plan. However, the California Department of Fish & Game (hereafter CDFG) and the Fish and Game Commission have religiously imposed the restrictive fishing policies outlined in the NFMP. Let me explain.
CDFG is required to gather certain essential fishery information (EFI) about the 19 nearshore species. This information is necessary to set catch quotas so that each species will remain abundant. The maximum allowable catch which would allow the species to remain abundant is called the optimum yield (OY). This should allow for a sustainable fishery. There are three levels of information about the 19-specie-complex. The levels are labeled: 1) data poor, 2) data moderate, and 3) data rich. “Data poor” means that the state has not gathered enough essential fishery information to allow the CDFG to propose regulations allowing for fishing harvest that equates to an optimum yield. The CDFG has been in a data poor condition ever since the MLMA was passed by the legislature and has done very little to get out of this condition. They blame this entire problem on budgetary restraints. Now comes the draconian part of the legislation. What fishing regulations result when the CDFG is in a data poor condition? The NFMP indicates that a “substitute OY” is developed based on average catch during a period when the fish species were not in decline. Once they have this “substitute OY,” THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CUT IT IN HALF! So, there you have it folks. The average tonnage catch for the years 1998-2002 became the “substitute OY” … and it was cut in half. It certainly is no surprise that we can catch that amount in five months.
Members of the CCFCC are working with CDFG to formulate ways to get out of this data poor condition. Until we do, we will be saddled with short rockfish seasons. If you are interested in reading up on this subject, go to the following web site:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/Mrd/nfmp/section1_chap3.html
Chapter 3 of Section 1 of the NFMP describes the draconian rules for being in a data poor condition. If you can carefully work your way through about 15 pages of technical rubbish … you might glean enough to see why we are in such a terrible fix. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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STRAIGHT SCOOP FROM BERKLEY
Sometimes known as sand fleas, sometimes known as MOLE crabs, these shallow water burrowers wait on beaches where breaking waves bring more food. Though they are members of the crab family sand fleas have no claws or pinchers , instead, their strong tails keep them from being dragged out to sea where they make easy meals for opportunistic predator fish.
Now you know everthing That I know about the little critters
Blackie /sr |
alicat (Unregistered Guest)
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Got two packs of the 6" bloody sandworms from Goleta-Hook, Line, and Sinker today. They had about 3 packs left. Also had them in different colors. Picked up a pack of the larger size in motor oil color for working the jetties for various rock cod species. Will advise result. Tight lines to all. |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Couldn't figure that one out either, Will. The deal is, Berkley labels these things "Sand Crab Flea" but they are Sand Crabs no doubt. Sand fleas are what you get in your skivvy's from sittin' in the sand and I don't know if you could hook one of those. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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OK dudes,
There are sand crabs and sand fleas. Totally different. We all know what sand crabs are. So do the surf perch, cause they eat them. I looked up Berkley Gulp stuff and they appear to be SAND CRABS, not fleas, so, Michele, you don't have to figure out to get them on a hook. Of course, they may also make sand fleas, anf I just can't find them. Who can solve this mystery? Won't it be great when we can post real FISH REPORTS?
Will |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Go get them tim, gonna fish there monday good tide at 9 05 am , will be intresting to see if they work as well as the bloody worms, you field test them and see how good they are , the orange look good.
You hook them very GENTLY Michele
Blackie/Sr |
JOHN COSTELLO (Taurus)
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as a kid in shell beach, i use to dig up sand fleas and use them for rock perch..the sand in shell beach is perfect for the fleas for some reason...not much bigger than an inch and only good for the tide pools that rock perch hang out in... they won't hold up in the surf... dig in the sand under piles of washed up kelp... can't miss them... there will be thousands of 'mini-fleas' and dozens of the fat ones you want..rubber lips, rainbow , blacks, ..you'd be surprised at the amount of rock perch are in little old tide pools |
Michele (Fiesta)
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HOW IN THE HECK DO YOU GET A SAND FLEA ON THE HOOK? |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Blackie,
I am in possesion of 3 different colors of the Sand Flea Crabs, 1 inch size. They make a tiny 1/2" size too. I picked them up at Fred Hall and will dunk them up at Montana de Oro this weekend and let you know how they work. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Cancel that! it is www.charkbait.com
Will |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Check out www.clarkbait.com for great pictures of Berkely Gulp products.
Will |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Michele,
Don't laugh, I have caught a lot of lunker salmon on Yozuri soft squids, but with a single barbless hook, of course!
Will |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Looks like we will be left out of the posssible salmon closures south of Sur. If not, I will be running salm-dab trips. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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No, I didn't go to Berkley. I'm not talking to them because they wouldn't donate(joke). I did see the candy sqid you are talking about. they are not the same ones I was talking about, which are discontinued and since they decided to reuse the name they will probably never be back. I ordered a couple of the new ones in chartruesse/silver and glow/blue flake or something. I want to try dragging them behind a flasher.(with treble hook)HAR HAR. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Good Morning to all;
MICHELE
That is a good price and since you cant buy them anywhere else , I will get some more packs .
Also for your info sissy , I was looking thru the feb 24 th WON and they now have GULP sand fleas as well as CANDY SQUID michele these are squid imitators and are 6 inch long, good for them big lings and white sea bass.
Nick
No it was not tom , he wont get his feet wet yet so its hard to catch them perch on the dry sand , it was bob kelly, he fishes heavy surf gear .
TIM
You got to get away from pismo to fish , try MONTANA DEL ORO sand spit beach , got to walk a ways but big fish there.
I also read a good article in the same issue of WON regarding the DFG and a Sturgeon meeting up in the VALLEJO , as one exasperated fisherman said ,,hell a seagull sitting on a ship in the mothball fleet knows as much about the sturegon as the DFG does.
So it looks like the incompentent state DFG works the same way in all areas .
Well i will be able to get away next week for Idaho for two months , you guys can have this all straightened out when i get back , and have them rockfish biting good .
Michele did you go direct to berkley , these sand fleas sound like a hot item?
Blackie/Sr |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Mike, you tell me. 6" bloody sandworms $5.99/pack of 10. I'm not selling them, just getting them for you if you want. Still have lots of candy sqid, but they are getting more expensive every day. I was thinking of leaving some candy sqid in my will for Amanda. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Salmon seminar is March 18th at Morro Bay Vet's Hall 209 Surf St. 6:00-10:00pm. $5 BBQ, raffle, auction, seminar. Topics of discussion: spoons, lures, hoochies, flashers, bait rigs, downriggers,sinker releases, safety(Harbor patrol), Regs(F&G), derby sign ups. SPECIAL FEATURE THIS TIME!!! -- The how-to-fish part will be toward the end of the evening, so all the pros don't have to sit through it. some of the raffle/auction stuff is fishing trips, rods, reels, tackle, tackle boxes-bags, wine, winery tours, limo wine tour, dinners, lunches, (other)water activities, and more. This is our chance to help Central Coast Salmon Enhancement. They put fish in the ocean for us to catch, and they don't charge us $34.90 to do it. |
nicholas kilday (Nick_k)
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Mike so was Tom your buddy that got the big fish? |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Will,
Can we get another post on the "where" and "when" for that Salmon Seminar or perhaps a link that will direct me to more information?
Thanks!
Blackie,
I'm not worthy. Had they come to Pismo they would have found one "skunked" dude out there! The bite is just not "on" yet down here. |
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Blackie, I can see it now. California based fishing club slaughters innocent little perchies.
Right in front of poor hungry 1-ton elephant seals. Call the Governator, call Boxer, call Hillary.
I see where Berkley makes salmon eggs also. (bouyant) Supposed to be good bait. If they work as good as the Berkley sardines, they are good. |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Just thought you guys would like to no, myself and some of my fellow club members are now movie stars , yes PERCH fishing does have its advantages , there were two gentelman here this week filming us fishing San Simieon , we did them proud we did catch fish even a 18inch 2+ pounder , not caught by me , but by one of my fellow club members , but i did catch my limit , anyway they produce fishing films , something like you see on sat or sun mornings TV , anyway the fish are biting.
MICHELE ;
are they as good as the SQUID CANDY ?
Blackie/ Sr |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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Ok boys and girls. I am offering another item for the raffle/auction at the salmon seminar in Morro Bay. Twelve rigged tuna lures from California, Australia, and Hawaii. These are the best of the best, no junk. Great for albacore and also some big boys for yellowfins. All proceeds will go to Central Coast Salmon Enhancement. Show up on March 18!
Will |
Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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Letters from affected business owners would have the greatest effect.
But that was a great letter Richard.
Sissy |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Oh yeah...Richard, that is a well written piece! |
Dave Pratt (My_three_sons)
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Richard Barraza....an excellent letter!
Dave
My Three Sons |
Mike Green (Caster)
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Michele, can I sign up for three bags? Thanks |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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I'll have to try that "secret spot" up there at Montana de Oro sometime soon, however it's hard to drive elsewhere when you have miles of driveable beach within 5 minutes of home.
Things are pretty churned up right now with the weather we just had. I'll keep trying down here because I know it's about to go off soon! |
Mike Green (Caster)
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Tree Doc, I use a 10 foot pole and large spinning reel with 15 lb line and a three foot leader, I dont get wet past my ankles, Been hitting them good when I go, usualy to Montana De Oro
Guess thats why I'm called caster |
Richard Barraza (Lori_di)
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Here is a copy of my letter to the gov, lets all start writing!
Dear Governor:
I am writing as a concerned citizen, fisherman and native Californian. I live in Morro Bay, California which until recently was an economic stronghold of the fishing industry of the Central Coast along with Port San Luis to the south and Monterey to the north. Little by little, special interest groups have chipped away at this industry, not only affecting the commercial fisherman, but the recreational one as well. We have watched our waterfront close businesses continuously as a result of seasonal closures for various species of fish. Now, it appears that the entire coastline may be closed to both commercial & recreational fisherman if the enviro lobbyists get their way.
I want you to know, Governor that I support the renomination of Jim Kellog to the Fish and Game Commission. Jim’s voice is one of balance on the Commission. What we need is moderation and compromise and not an all or nothing approach. I am just as concerned about the environment as the next person, but extremism does not have a place in a government that is “by the people and for the people.”
“Maintaining a balanced perspective on the Fish and Game Commission is essential to the future of our fishing heritage in California. Despite recent rumors to the contrary, Jim Kellog DOES exhibit a balanced perspective. Please demonstrate your own balanced perspective by renominating him for the Fish and Game Commission. We love the environment and we love to hunt and fish. Please don’t let us sportsmen and women down.”
Thank you for your consideration, Governor. I trust you will make the right decision. |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Oooooh, sounds like Michele has the deal, Mike! LOL! I want IN if this happens!!!
When I was at Fred Hall, Berkley was omnipresent through out the show and in every retail booth. In a roundabout way, they are saying that they will take over the entire world of bait....LIVE bait too, they claim! They introduced their new Squid bait. Looks great but at $11 for pack of 3 I might have to dwell on that for a while.
They do make a 4" sandworm. I should have snagged a few. They are really skinny however and would require a fine wire hook for certain. One guy I ran into who has been using these bloody sandworms (yep, word's out everywhere) said that he cuts them about 2" long and then slices the tail with a few cuts to get a bit of action from it. Maybe I can spend the rest of my rainy day schedule slicing up sandworms! LOL!
Perhaps my hook up problem is with my leader. I'm only running about 18-22" of leader. I just read some info written by a true lifelong Perch Jerker who runs a 10' noodle rod with a leader the same length as the rod! I could be fishing to deep too, this guy's in jeans and knee hi mud boots and staying dry, I'm in my chest high Duck Hunting waders and getting wet! I remember my first attempt at this some 10 years ago when all I had were waist high waders so I wouldn't go out far at all. We used to spank the 2-2.5 pounders on the beach near Grover. Perhaps I just need to make this easier on myself! |
Michele (Fiesta)
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Mike, I got the connection for bloody sandworms. One time deal. How many do you want? |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Tree Doc
Im fishing a ultra lite 6ft 6, rod shimano mini spining reel, 6# test triline Terminal tackle silver barrel swivel, 30 inch leader #2 red laser sharp hook and 2 inches of worm , i found the tails work best , but sooner or later you got to use the rest. Berkley is missing the boat by not selling a 2 inch worm, and you cant find them around here at all , i have talked to Wally world , but they say someone in ARK does all there buying and they just sell what they get,Tackle warehouse is not even worth going into if you fish saltwater no reels , and a few packs of grubs and swim baits , I think charkbait.com has them as well as Cabelas.
Ok looks like the tides and surf will stop the fishing this week , and next week Im heading for the great northwest to fish some derbys GIANT RAINBOWS and landlocked kings, for a couple months.
Blackie/Sr |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Here is a link to website for MLPA comments:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/mlpa/publiccomments.html
Also see contacts on same page for email addresses.
You can use this to oppose the entire MLPA process in its current form i.e. RLFF's funding of the MLPA process. Or you can sit back & watch them take away your fishing rights. Cloud out |
Steve Prevel (Shaka)
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Will,
I read your post on the "environmental religion", I couldn't agree more. I've travelled to the third world many times and let me tell you that there is not a country on the face of this earth that does more to preserve the environment than this country. It just sickens me to see the results of slash and burn farming, poison and dynamite reef fishing etc. in so called "pristine" countries. I could go on for hours on this but you are so right about the ignorance of today's enviromentalists of the facts.
They B.S. about conservation and we practice it. |
Michele (Fiesta)
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See?! The salmon are already getting overpopulated and dying of emaciation!! |
bob may (Bodean)
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rockcod usually opens May first I don`t think anyone in power gives a smitt about what day it falls on |
Wes-BulaBula (Slotroller)
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I'm having hell getting my radar dialed in. I also have the 582 and know I still have a lot to learn to get the most out of it.
Has anyone tried any of these videos? Are they any good?
http://www.impulsetech.com/instrvideo.html |
Andrew Dunn (Drew_2452)
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Question rockcod opens May 1st that is a Monday right. Doesnt it useually open on a Sat ????? |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Blackie,
I was out fishing Pismo when you responded! The bite was just not on in the areas I hit. Fished the incoming tide in a few holes and stuck a few dinks on the sandworm but nothing big came along. How are you rigging these things? I cut one into about 1-1/2" pieces and threaded it onto a #7 red octopus hook on about an 18" leader under a 1 ounce egg sinker & Spro swivel, typical of grub fishing.
I did have a short, dead Salmon float by me and wash up on the beach. Seagulls enjoyed that for a few minutes until some Kook came driving by and threw it in his car! |
Longline (Unregistered Guest)
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If you haven't tried fishing the Sacramento River in
September, you're missing out! Not to brag, but we've managed to place or win
the Lovey's Landing Salmon Derby two years out of three (First and Third in 2003
and Second and Third in 2005). Try it, you'll like it! Fish like this
47-pounder are there!
Mid-20s are common. Let's go fishin'!!!
|
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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Tree Doc
Get them bloody devils out and fish them , I fish San Simeon at least twice a week , tides permitting and them perch are biting, last wed i caught 15 fish kept my limit of big ones , they are there.
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE SUNDAY HUMOR.
A boy was asked by his Sunday school teacher if he thought Noah did much fishing off the ark? How could he? replied the lad," he only had two worms and there were only two fish.
MORAL of this story---- Was the DEPT OF FISH AND GAME AROUND THEN TOO
Blackie/Sr |
Sissy (Unregistered Guest)
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I always wanted to go to the Miami boat show, so I finally did 3 weeks ago. The vendors there were in the thousands, but no deals were to be had. The prices seemed much higher than what we pay on the west coast. I went one day, but it would take a week to see the whole thing. Too many people. But the boats were awesome. I did enjoy looking at what the really rich were buying.
One vendor asked me if I had a boat and I said "sure". He asked if I was interested in some bow thrusters... Heh Heh yeh, for my 26 footer. I have become so disenchanted with the Ca. boat shows, that I just don't go anymore.
I did however discover a new (to me) adhesive product called Cool Chem. It is a glue that is pretty impressive. A guy put it on the edges of two credit cards, and you couldn't break them apart. The edges. Good for all materials. You can find it on the net.
I also discovered that in Florida, you do not have to have a license to fish from shore, or any structure or jetty attached to shore. Or, if you are over 65. Or on a party boat. The party and charter boats buy a license for the boat, and passengers aren't required to have their own license, the way I understand it. People were catching some pretty big fish from the bridges on the way down to Key West.
Just some jiborish (bull sh,,t) to pass the time till we see what they are going to come up with on the salmon season.
Sissy |
John Usilton (Teachers_pet)
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I agree, this year I went there to get a traditional hallshow discount on different items..no one would budge....I told them I can it have shipped to my door cheaper, didn't matter..The fun of the show used to be the game. Well for me it's game over..To bad ,Oh that's right they don't care.. |
plan b (Unregistered Guest)
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yeah tim, after going to the show for the last 10 years or so, we skipped it for that reason alone. retail stuff has just dropped off. its cheaper to stay home and order stuff online or from e-bay. the drive down and the crowds, who needs it. the only boat i'm interested in is just up in paso. unless of course its the one i win on sunday.... |
Timothy Foley (Tree_doc)
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Briefly off the closure topic, anybody been jerkin' perch down in Pismo/Oceano area? I've got these new Bloody Sandworms burnin' a hole in my tackle box! I hit the Fred Hall Show on Wednesday and also picked up Berkley's new 1" Sand Crab Flea in a few different color schemes. We'll see how they work out too.
Regarding the Fred Hall Show, anybody else make the run to Long Beach? I was pretty dissapointed with the retail sector of the show. Seemed like fewer dealers peddling fewer items for no special deals like we used to get. 3 of us went in with cash bulging in our pockets looking for specific items that none of us found and all I ended up buying were a couple of Seeker blanks that were priced right. There was a strong showing of boat manufacturers if you were in the market for a new boat. I "thought" I was this season but will definitely be holding off until we know what we'll be allowed to catch in the future. |
Will Bateman (Willbateman)
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You need to understand that "enviornmentalists" as they are now are practicing their own type of religion. They are very different from "conservationists" who are concerned about preserving and enhancing natural environments. Most of us (on this site) are conervationists, and we have personal experience with the environments we love. We observe and respect the marine and terrestrial settings we explore and enjoy. We care about the health of our world.
I used to be an environmentalist; I have a degree in Environmental Biology. That was in the early 70's. Basically environmentalists then were conservationists. Not anymore! Now you must believe in their gospels which are: America leads the world in environmental destruction, socialism is the only way to save the earth, progress is bad,and yes, ultimately we would be way better off if we were vegetarian slaves.
Problem is that these people know nothing, again NOTHING about ecology or the real world. They live in an alternate universe and nothing can change their empty minds. Needless to say, they are very depressed people. They can't see the good work being done all around them. They don't want to see it. THEY LIKE BEING DEPRESSED!
Go figure, it does not make sense to us, because we live out there in the real world, we can see the beauty and connectedness of it all, we are the real environmentalists.
Long may we fish.
Will |
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ARE THESE ENVIRONMENTAL'S ALL VEGITARIAN'S OR WHAT.
I THINK THEY ARE A BUNCH OF FRIGIN COMMIE BASTARDS TRYING TO FORCE US ALL TO BE VEGITARIAN'S.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE T P |
Ray Cloud (Cloud)
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Can someone in the know please post (factually) what the salmon season situation is as it stands right now. Specifically, is salmon season going ahead as planned for area South of Point Sur? Or is a statewide closure still on the table?
Sorry if I missed something but have been really tied up trying to make a living. Cloud out. |
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The Salmon closure made the front page on the Santa Cruz Liberal. As it turns out the paper actually did a decent job and reported the negative affects the closure will have on some of the business here in our area. For my resort it means about 30 units not rented and a loss of funds as follows:
My business looses $3,000
$300 transient occupancy tax will not be collected for the city.
$300 of income tax will not be collected by the feds.
$280 of Workman's comp and state taxes will not be collected.
30 hours of employee wages will be lost. Since my resort is less than 1 tenth of one percent of the tourist rentals in our area multiply $880 times 1,000.
That is $880,000 in lost tax revenue and $330,000 in lost wages for the city of Santa Cruz alone and this is only the motel business. Add to that all the losses in restaurants, fuel stations, ice, bait and more and it is over a million dollars for our little city. Multiply this by all the coastal communities and it will be over 100 million in lost revenue for the state.
I have paraded the paper all through the store and brought it to the attention of the local environmental types that they will soon only be eating farm raised fish.
This had 2 outcome's
1. What!
2. I don't eat Salmon and don't care.
I have taken it to the family members who know our supervisors and kicked them to show this loss to the local government officials. Hope it helps.
by Dynamo Dan
Copied from our own fishing forum but needed to share with your group as well. |
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Status of Stocks
Commercial and recreational fishery sampling seem to suggest that while blue rockfish have withstood considerable fishing pressure over the last four decades, the stock continues to be healthy. They are one of the most important recreational species in California for anglers fishing from skiffs and Commercial Passenger Fishing Vessels, and is usually the most frequently caught rockfish north of Point Conception. This species truly has been the Abread and butter of the nearshore recreational angler in northern and central California
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/rockfish/blue.html
here is something i found about rock fish central coast.
check ouy the web site.
this was done by california fish @ game |
plan b (Unregistered Guest)
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bodean, i said basically the same thing in my letters to the governor. but after i sent them it got me to thinking, maybe we should be sending letters to local government officials also. mainly those that have more direct contact with the governor, maybe abel moldanado? and where is the mayors and administrators of coastal towns? especially morro bay, monterey, and santa cruz? certainly these cities are impacted financially, they're voted in and they can be voted out!
anyway, today the front page of the san fran chronicle had an article about a possible closure for salmon and what would happen to the restaurant biz side of it. they did point out that the sacramento river salmon run is as healthy as ever because of the rivers restoration. i will point this out in any letters i send. this is something the enviors and government should focus on more than closures. after all the sacramento was restored without any closures that i can remember. hey if they don't want us to catch klamath river fish, at least let us all fish in the san francisco bay. also the reporter did say something else about a possible closure, that it was planned for monterey to the oregon border. maybe a guess? |
bob may (Bodean)
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I just sent my letter.
other issues ( facts that should be addressed) are, the rockcod consevation area, depth restrictions in place, current MPA`s and very restricted limits imposed on every fishery.
Where are the studies from those areas and is there a measurable difference in fish quanities and or quality that justifies the closure of more areas and will the closures of more areas actually help or harm the oceans resourses.
My opinion is that by closing areas of it will put more pressure on the areas left open and add fuel to the enviros that fishing hurts the population of fish, if it comes to that they might have a point.
I recomended that they keep limits the same and open more area so the load will be spread out over a broader area thus reducing the impact, not that there is any problems that I see.
Food for thought.
Bob M |
Mike Blackstone (Blackie)
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I just sent my Email , come on guys lets make it a group effort, let the GOV how we feel, cause if and when they do push this down our throats at least you can say you did your part.
Blackie/Sr |
