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Blackstone/Sr (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 8:53 am:   

Larry
Sorry to here that , but you do remember IM RETIRED, gonna give them turd pond fish a chance to bite maybe next week , pending this remodle , just finishing the rock front on the fireplace , watin for carpet.
there was a 22# rainbow caught and relased this week in Hayden lake , about two miles from here , ok you guys all keep them Salmon biting.
Blackie/Sr
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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 8:38 am:   

The Princess is in Santa Cruz for the salmon season so Virg's has a dock slip available for lease. $10/ft, based on total length over all, month to month until probably end of June. Call Darby at 772-1222 xt.11
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Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 6:56 am:   

Awsome so sounds like for now its a go.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   

NW 10-20 kts. 4-6 ft. RAIN

YES
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 9:46 pm:   

How is the weather looking for Fri & Sat is anyone fishing.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 6:25 pm:   

Wes, Whats the new name of the boat?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 1:08 pm:   

Mullet,
Regarding your 4-11-06 posting referring to the take of wild steelhead and/or salmon in southern Oregon. It is suggested that you clarify as to when you can take a steelhead or salmon that has its' adipose fin attached. It changes by the river system that is being fished, time of year and also as to whether or not you are fishing in the ocean. Oregon has the most confusing fishing regs I have ever seen. Just wanted to point that out in case someone is planning on going up there to do any fishing for steelhead and/or salmon this year. I have been fishing for steelhead on the Rogue River in Oregon since the late 70's. I always write the Oregon Dept. of Fish and Wildlife early in the year to request a copy of the current regs just to make sure what the size and possession limits are for trout, steelhead, Coho salmon and Chinook salmon. They are different for each species, size wise and location wise. Just thought I would throw that in the mix of things.

Tight Lines,

Mike Main, Orcutt
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:29 pm:   

Thanks Steve. Wish I had the patience to write more inclusive posts.

Another way to make bait is with super small Sabikis and chum with dry cat food. But I suspect this bait we are seeing is mostly pin heads so not good for jigging. Like Michelle says frozen is just as good. That's all the SF/Monterey boats use and they catch thousands of them mooching. It would probably be worth trying on the outside of all these bait balls we are seeing here.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 9:57 am:   

Since we're on the subject, because of new regulations this year, sport fishermen will need to step in and support thier local hatcheries more than ever. I would not be surprised if the commercial guys can't help out as much as they used to be able to.

Reminder: I still have plenty of forms for anyone who is not a CCSE member. Membership starts at as little as 25.00.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 9:40 am:   

Mullet,
There are always "rural legends" about how the "lazy" hatchery technicians don't clip all the hatchery fish because it is too much work...but I think it is just that...myth. Hatchery fish are created to be kept by anglers, if it is not clipped then it is can not be kept (in Oregon). The hatcheries that I am familiar with in Oregon are viligent about clipping their fish.
Harrel
They can estimate the number natural Klamath Kings that are caught by keeping track of how many and where the hatchery fish (with the coded wire tags) are caught. Salmon from the same rivers will migrate and feed in the same areaa, but will obviously mingle with other salmon from other rivers. There have also been studies in the past where they have tagged wild fish in the rivers and recaptured them in the ocean, so they base their estimates upon those previous studies. In addition, biologists have done genetics tests of fish captured in the ocean. Fish in each river has a unique genetic fingerprint so you could tell where it came from, but this is expensive and it is not done often.
The big concern is always the natural fish because hatcheries are so successful at raising fish they do not need huge numbers to return to the hatchery. For example, in nature, only around 90% of eggs are fertilized and only about 10% hatch, only about 10% of those survive to be juveniles, and then only 10% of those will survive to return as adults. In the end, you are hoping that 1-2% survive to return to spawn. In the hatchery, all eggs are fertilized and they only have 1-2% mortality from egg to fry and from fry to juvenile. That means that a much greater percentage of hatchery fish survive from any one parent, thus reducing the need for a large number of spawners to return to the hatchery.
However, in the wild, each watershed and creek could have salmon that are unique to it; from the run timing to be able to access spawning habitat, to their size so they can build a proper nest in the available spawning habitat. That is why they are so worried about natural spawners, for if the run for the entire river are too low you could loose an entire run of fish in a particular watershed.
Sorry for the long-winded response.
best fishes,
steve
P.S.
I went on a field trip with a Fish Bio that works on the Santa Ynez River. They used to have 20,000+ steelhead returning to the river before the dams were built. A student in my class mentioned that her grandpa used to catch all the 8-10# steelhead he wanted in the 40's. They have had less than 100 fish return so far this year!
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Michele (Fiesta)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 9:40 am:   

ok. I have seen the pictures. There are nice fish being caught in Santa Barbara. Occasional limits. "Around the rigs" seems to be like our generic "straight out" or "Straight off the Rock" so I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 8:45 am:   

Mike, you can also use frozen anchovies for mooching. If you happen to stop over a hungry fish, it will eat. That's what the party boats all use. The Pacific Horizon got a couple up here last year mooching. Look on your meter for the bait that is down by the bottom. The theory is the salmon are holding the bait against the bottom. You can also try stopping on the bait balls, but they move pretty fast, and you said you want to relax. Don't drop your line too fast or it will tangle. Use pulls like we did trolling. Try different depths. If you see marks around the bait at say 50 ft., go 50 pulls. Or you can put your bait on your hook head-up, and drop down, and come up 5-10 turns at a time. check special hook regs. and watch out for rockfish! Ask in the tackle shop for them to show you how to hook your bait.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 5:59 am:   

I have a throw net I dont need anymore--if interested. Contact me at e-mail, remove SPAMFOILER. rccs@SPAMFOILERcomcast.net

Ray
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 9:32 pm:   

Hello Mike Green, Caster.

Buy yourself and six foot throw net. The back bay is full of Smelt, in the morning. The locals through in the morning and catch Halibut, in the afternoon. Just look at your meter on the way to the mouth, the bait is boiling all around.

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Joseph & Tami Anderton
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 9:25 pm:   

Hello Will, and Freediver,

Trying not to be a pest. Thank you, both. How do we find out the answer to the question?
In 1995 we had a wide open Salmon, bite. The old timers say, it is because the fish are trying to locate their home steam. The amount of rain,
in 95 was over 40 inches, our average rainfall in this area is 13 inches. The 95 amount flooded Estero Bay, with local river a steam nutrients. The wild fish came in to check our area out. We caught limits days on end from target rock inside the bay to the red can outside the bay.
Last season we had the most amount rain since 95.
Some people said the season sucked. We caught our last two 22 pound Salmon, at 5:00 PM. July 30th. Our first skunk of the season came July 31st. The water turned and the fish were gone. Time for tuna.
If there are only 10% of hatchery fish tagged, how does the DFG. know if they are counting none clipped hatchery Atipost, fin fish or not?
Is there a study to show the difference between the two? Are you saying that hatchery fish only return to the hatchery and do not by pass and go upstream?

Best regards,
Joseph & Tami Anderton
BBQ.

PS.For the person who caught fish at the rigs in Santa Barbera, when you post information to the public be ready to be questioned. I have taken things a little to personal on this site. Four years ago and have not posted a single thing since till a few weeks ago. The response I received, I took the wrong way. I'm sorry for this. I did respond and to my amazment there were appolgies and explanations I did not expect.
So from now on I'm very careful before I take the responses the wrong way.
I will not say to you please keep on posting. This is your choice. I will say, try to be clear in your content, and the response you will receive will be warm and appreciative.
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Mike Green (Caster)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:52 pm:   

Bill w, your right! I wonder whats up with that?
Anyway, WELCOME
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:40 pm:   

Is this board still on standard time? I just read a 9:10 PM post at 8:30 PM. This is my first post since I'm new to the erea. Hello fisherman.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:24 pm:   

Ad, were you on channel 68?
that's what folks up here use
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:12 pm:   

this year the KALAMA RIVER/ELOCHOMAN RIVER are doing 100%
of all chinook salmon this year.
also both hatcherys are doing 90% of all the COHO.
they are taging 90,000 fall chinook to be relesed by june 1 st.
they are clipping 2.1 million ELOCHOMAN salmon this year.
both of these hatcherys are in washington.
by the way my sister inlaw taggs chinook coho for a job.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 7:00 pm:   

Dose anyone have some sort of method of catching bait? Might be usefull since we cant buy any live bait right now.
Mooching sounds real relaxing like.
I'm pretty new to this so excuse me if its a dumb question.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 7:00 pm:   

Steve;
How do they know the number of natural Klamath Kings that are caught and where they are caught ? From what I read the big concern is for the natural fish and they won't even include the hatchery fish in the returning counts which would make the return look better.

REELTIME;
I hope you will reconsider and continue to use this board. You will find hundreds of good reports on this site for every bad one. I have caught salmon inside the rigs many times and it is really good to know when there are salmon down there. I for one appreciate your post and will be happy to share information with you.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 6:40 pm:   

Fishmaster,
I fish Oregon every year.
From what I have been told
"hearsay" they clip about 10%.
For a fact you are allowed 1
steely 'wild' aday & 1 hatchery
fish.This is true at least in
the southern portion.
Mikey
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 4:51 pm:   

no on youngs bay in warrenton or you could keep all wild coho.
since there is no fish hatchery on that river.
have fished it many times wild fish stealhead/coho.
in washington waters you can't keep any wild stealhead it is a big fine.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 4:28 pm:   

Hey Blackstone SR! Get back to work! This place is falling apart. The entire addition may have to have walls torn down due to black mold. Quit fishin them turd pond fish and get back to the sea where you belong!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:27 pm:   

Unfortunately CDFG does not clip all of their hatchery fish, they choose to allocate their funds to other projects (which I think is unfortunate). Oregon, Washington, and Idaho adipose fin clip all of their hatchery fish. In Oregon, you must release all wild coho or steelhead trout captured (I'm pretty sure the same is true in WA and ID).
The hatcheries that I have visited and have friends that work at them use the hatchery fish that come back to the fish hatchery. A wild fish will go in on occasion (10% of salmon stray naturally), but most are hatchery fish. Some hatcheries are beginning to try to mimic nature by spawning fish throughout the run and raising juveniles in something other than concrete raceways. They have actually shown that trout raised in natural streams have a more developed brain than those raised in concrete raceways!!! Some hatcheries will also capture wild fish from throughout the watershed to try to increase the gene pool. Hatcheries are getting better all the time, but nature still does a better job if she's given a chance (e.g. Alaska).
Let's hope the salmon fishing picks up...I need one for the BBQ!
best fishes,
steve
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 9:38 am:   

Reeltime,I hope you read this....I appreciate your time and thank you for your post....I don't read posts that are negitive to others...I love to fish in Santa Barbara,and Ventura..I hope you will continue to hang around this site, there are more fiherpersons that appreciate your post besides me..Once again thank you,John Teachers'Pet
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:56 am:   

CASTER;
Keep draggin them bloody sand worms, as for me im still workin on this remodle project in Idaho , did not fish the first weekend derby this past weekend on Coeur D Alene lake , but heard that a 12# won the money $1,000 , not bad for a day of fishing.
Will have this project wrapped up by the end of thr month ,,, then fish the big Rainbow derby 10 days , $5,000 first prize to $1,000 fifth , also daily awards for big rainbow and mac ,brown ,
perch, and even suckers.
Hope you guys continue your sucess with the fish there , see you in mid may.
Blasckie/Sr
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:32 am:   

Hey BBQ,
Nice to hear from you. The previous post sums it up very well. The thing that gets me about hatchery fish is that they come from both hatchery and wild parents. Whichever adult fish enter the hatchery are used to produce next year's smolts. Or am wrong on this? In the long run the hatchery fish keep coming back to the same hatchery, so their genetic makeup slowly becomes different from the wild fish which do not enter the hatchery. To complicate things, many hatchery fish are not clipped, such as the fish we receive in Avila.
So far this season all five salmon we have caught had their adipose fins intact.
BBQ, I will see you out on the water, a friend of BJ's is a friend of mine. Sorry if I get annoying sometimes.
Will
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:26 am:   

DFG only tags a small percentage of the hatchery salmon they release. The percentage varies with each hatchery but it is generally less than 10 percent. These are the fish with the cut adipose fins,which indicate that there is a small (1 mm) coded wire tag in the fish's head. If a fish still has an adipose fin it could be either a hatchery fish or a wild spawned salmon.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 8:11 am:   

BBQ,
As far as adipose fin goes, Taurus' analogy is right on. Most salmon, though, only spend 3 years in the ocean (hence reprocussions this year from '03 fish kill in Klamath). However, some return only after one year (jacks), but in some rivers they will stay out 5 or even 6 years (Kenai Kings!).
There have been a lot of scientific tests done on DNA and they have found that hatchery fish do have different genetics than wild fish, although not enough to be a different subspecies. There is still a huge debate over this and I believe it is still in the courts. One court rules that hatchery fish and wild fish are the same, it gets appealed and then the next one rules the opposite. I'm not sure where it stands right now. One thing that folks need to realize is that science can not prove things, it can only provide evidence to support or reject a hypothesis. Many people, especially politicians, want scientists to prove things, but that is not how the scientific method works. Scientists, and policy makers, then have to use the best available evidence (data) to make their decisions. In the ocean, unfortunately, that data is very hard to come by and extremely hard to quantify.
On a fishy note, I'm going to be heading up to Monterey next Thurs/Fri...anyone want to buddy boat?
best fishes,
steve
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 7:19 am:   

Hey Reeltime......if you got 'em, good job. There's nothing I'd rather hear. But you should understand my skepticism. That report was pretty lacking of particulars.....depth, lures, size of fish, pics, etc. The closest rig to SB is also the furthest from Ventura and visa versa. You didn't say where you launched from. The fish caught that I've heard of so far have been behind the lower three rigs. That's why I asked "closest to what?"
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 6:44 am:   

Ad thanks for the reply, mine works about the same, it has the GPS built in.
I hope reeltime didn't take offence at my asking about his shoes and breakfast, just a joke.
Congrats on the catch reeltime!
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Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 5:33 am:   

thin skins and the internet don't mix...this place is NOT A JOKE...good riddance

the young of a clipped salmon will hatch WITH an adipose fin.....no differant than humans; if i lose an arm then have a child, the child will have both arms
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:08 pm:   

Hello Realtime,
Welcome to the board. Don't let the few jerks that frequant this site get to you. It's common practice for some to put others down when they can't achieve what others do.
Even tho salmon season opened... There's still alot of guys & gals that haven't had the time to get out there yet so I'm sure there's some hostility just from the lack of getting a line wet.

Hey Mike Green,
I use a uniden also. I think it's called the atlantis 250. Bought new at the grand opening of Bass Pro Shops in Las Vegas. It's 1w on low and 5w on high. I've had it for almost a year and haven't talked to anyone. Or better put... Nobody has ever responded when I did talk.
I take a radio, a gps and a fishfinder whenever I go out on the ocean. Even in my 12 ft skiff. It pays to stay as safe as possible.
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   

reeltime, dont take it personal,some guys just cant take the fact that someones wacking them. Seems pretty clear to me u ment the closest rig to the harbor.good luck ,keep gettem.
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 9:38 pm:   

Hello Will Bateman,

Here is a question for you.
When a Salmon, has its Atipost, fin cut at the hatchery then released to the sea and makes its return run up the river 7 or so years later then lays eggs. Are the little fish born with out Atipost fins?
Have there been any scientific test done on DNA. to find out if cut fish or wild fish are different?
The DFG. does not count cut fin fish as natural spawners. How do they know if the parents had a clipped Atipost, fin or not?
My education, comes from the street. Alumni, school of hard knocks 49 years 41 of them ocean fishing, and still learning. 16 years self employed and running a business. Please feel free to correct any miss spellings. No hard feelings.


Best regards,
Joseph & Tami Anderton
BBQ.
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 9:21 pm:   

Jesus, thought we post our report for the first time on this site. What a mistake,just because we didnt talk on the radio our report is bullshit.First and LAST post on this joke board.
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Mike Green (Caster)
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 8:20 pm:   

Ad, what output does your handheld have? I use a uniden mystic, It seems to work ok now (during the salmon troll) but last rock season I hardly ever talked to anybody
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:53 pm:   

From the shoeline, SB was pretty flat today. As was Carp and the Rincon. Very light winds early afternoon.
As for salmon reports Dave... I have a handheld I use and I couldn't get anybody to respond. Less than a 15 boats between Gav & La Conchita. All within sight and hearing distance. Listened to a couple of boats south of SB. But they drew a blank by 2 pm.
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:34 pm:   

Reeltime......."closest rig".....closest to what? What rig are we talking about? I was working on the boat today with the radio on and I never heard you after several requests for salmon reports? There have been 4 salmon caught (confirmed) out of SB so far this season. If you caught 4 today I am really impressed. I am also really skeptical. The weather today was kinda marginal. "Unreel"......I don't know. Maybe your talking about a different SB.
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Mike Green (Caster)
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:09 pm:   

Reeltime, what kind of rig, how deep and how fast?
And what did you have for breakfast, and what color shoes did you wear?
Thanks
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:44 pm:   

Cabelas has RSKs on sale for $1.99 right now.

Will
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:41 pm:   

fished off SB today just inside the closest rig for 4 salmon to 16 lbs. find off color water and bait. weather was unreel.
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:38 pm:   

OK, I'm gonna get serious with those salmon!
I'm gonna troll THOSE BLOODY SAND WORMS at 4mph and 90ft!
Won't know what hit em!
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 5:10 pm:   

4 anglers spread dining choices through out the water column and tried various speeds up to 4 Mph, not a single knock down. Birds, bait and lots of cooperation! 6.5 hours

Michele, sorry about the horrible rendention of "My Michele", I tried to stop Maxwell, but he is unstopable!
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Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:56 pm:   

Looks like a window in the rain for Wed.. Better try that day as the remainder may be a total wash this week (Pun intended)!
Tight lines and screamin reels!
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